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imported_doug

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I see a lot of board members really like the Klasse All In One plus SG, so I want to give it a try. I have the sample kit but haven't tried it yet. I have a few questions:



1) how abrasive is AIO compared to, say, 3M Dark Finish SMR?



2) From what I've read, it should be OK to apply with an orbital, right? Any techniques that do/don't work?



3) Can I put the 1st coat of SG on right away, or does the AIO need to cure too?



Thanks -
 
You can put the SG on right after you wipe off the AIO. You can use an orbital, but you can get thinner coats by hand. Remember, use very thin coats.....it should only take 1 oucne or less to do your entire car.
 
1. IMO AIO is much less abrasive compared to SMR, AIO has only a very mild cleaner in it...

2. Yes, it's ok (although I never tried it, but several other members have tried it)

3. I usually immediately follow AIO with the first layer of SG, but I wait several days for the second layer of SG

(I believe Tim also applies AIO and SG this way)



hope that helps :)
 
You can get good results by hand as well. I would wait a few hours between SG and AIO coats, although some apply back to back. DAVID B has experienced "gumming" when applying back to back coats because the first coat is not cured enough and the second starts to degrade the first. I feel that ANY polymer product should be giving proper time to cure, unless it is an instant cure system, which would require a chemical catalyst to speed up the reaction....
 
Thanks, everyone - I realized I had one other question. Many of you like to wax over the SG. I assume this is for heightened gloss/depth as opposed to protection? Or is the other way around? If for protection, can I use either polymer (Gold Class) OR carnauba wax over it?



Thanks - very helpful answers.
 
The wax topper is for added depth. Synthetic products sometimes lack depth, thus the wax topper. The wax topper does not add to the protection of the car, just the looks. Helps to give the finish that little extra "pop"
 
yep, the wax topper is mostly for looks not protection....although to be honest I did not see a remarkable diffrence...



by the way, doesn't Meguiar's gold class wax contain a mild polish in it (someone told me a long time ago)? if yes, then it should not be used on top of SG (as it might remove some of SG protection)..I could be wrong though :)
 
I just got through washing and waxing my 330i. The car was Klassed about 2 months ago. I did notice a little less shine than normal and I popped on a coat of Souveran. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

More work, but IMO worth it.... I'll try to get some pics tomorrow if the sun comes out!



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Do you mean in 2 months you started to see the gloss fade? Also, keep us posted on how long the gloss lasts with the PS WAX......



Thanks.....
 
Maybe that's why I thought it looked less shiny. I did put Souveran on about a month ago. I guess the wax was gone. I do notice a difference with the wax though. More shine, more depth.



H
 
AIO is a cleaner, work it in real well and rinse your damp sponge (or mf applicator which I prefer) if it gets visibly dirty. Don't forget to wring it out. Apply the SG with a dry sponge.
 
YoSteve - when you say sponge, do you mean like the little foam applicators, or kitchen sponge, or something else? Also - wet with H2O, or QD?





Langit - this is a semantics problem. In Meguiar's terms, "polishes" don't have abrasives - only oils and/or fillers. This isn't always the case - but "Gold Class Clear Coat Liquid Car Wax" is a polymer-based product - so I would assume that makes it OK to apply over SG. It really does have a wonderful gloss.
 
"3. I usually immediately follow AIO with the first layer of SG, but I wait several days for the second layer of SG"



Langit,



What do you do if your car gets dirty during this time? Or do you keep it covered and garaged? If dirty, can it be washed in between your SG coats or do you start all over or just forget it?





:D
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by luvmymax [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>If dirty, can it be washed in between your SG coats or do you start all over or just forget it?[/b]</blockquote>
Yes. You can wash your car before applying another layer. No need to start over unless you have already topped the SG with wax.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by DETAILKING [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I would wait a few hours between SG and AIO coats, although some apply back to back.[/b]</blockquote>

DK: I don't have a garage so I wash my car outdoors. If I wait this long to apply SG, I probably should wash it again before the SG. Would this affect the AIO?
 
so many questions!



I use AIO as a cleanser and not as a acrylic depositor. The first work in of AIO is to clean primarily. The second is if you missed any spots, if you need extra attantion on the rough spots, and overall smoothness for a buttery feel.



Then wait 20 minutes or longer and then just SG. I guess waiting 24 hours would increase your chances of not having the SG pull off the acrylic put on by the AIO, but in many cases you're putting on so much SG, the AIO layer of acrylic is insignifiant. Now if that's all you're using then waiting longer is better. Just a matter of where you're heading and where you want to be, in order to govern which path to take.



BTW dampen mf applicator with water. On a first time AIO'd car it can get dirty really quick, and you don't want dirty mf applicator doing the next panel.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by carguy [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>This isn't always the case - but "Gold Class Clear Coat Liquid Car Wax" is a polymer-based product - so I would assume that makes it OK to apply over SG. It really does have a wonderful gloss. [/b]</blockquote>
Although Gold Class has polymers in it, it isn't polymer based. It's primary formula is still a traditional type of wax. Most modern waxes have polymers of some sort like Pinnacle Souveran and Paste Glaz but really aren't polymer based, like Klasse and Zaino. That is my understanding of it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
It is a hybrid of sorts.......



Mass. Wine Guy--> I doubt your car will pick up that much dirt in a few hours between coats. It will not hurt AIO to wash it after a few hours, but what I would do is just go over it with a QD just before appling SG. Even if you let the car sit over night and do not drive it, a QD just be all you need. If you drive the car I would wash it between coats.



Hope this helps
 
My absolute favorite carnaubas to use over Klasse SG are Pinnacle Souveran, Pinnacle Paste Glaze and Blitz. Trust me, they do make a noticeable difference in shine and depth. Laters.
 
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