favorite compounds???

Bence said:
Why not mix the Menzerna and Optimum stuff? OP would give serious workability too, but unlike RMG wouldn't cover/conceal minor defects.
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That's exactly what I stated doing with OP first came out. And it works okay, but I found RMG to be a much better additive as far as adding lubrication, etc....and it doesn't finish down as well with the larger Otimum abrasives mixed in. And, RMG doesn't really cover anything with you're only mixing in 20-30% in my experience. Also, I usually follow PG/RMG or IP/RMG with straight up FPII anyways, so even if it did cover a bit, it would be wiped out anyways.
 
Capt. Paintball said:
My favorite is 3M Perfect-It III RC followed by Perfect-it III MG...gives a nice finish...



I agree 100%. BUT, I haven't tried ALL the compounds out there, so take it for what it's worth. ...
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Heh heh, I haven't used a fraction of the compounds out there, nor do I intend to. I'm content to stick with what works for me (hence my huge stockpile of PI-III stuff).



Would [you] use the machine polish after the Machine Glaze, or would that be overkill? With the red, I do plan on using the SMR (dark) after the MG, and then sealant. Remember, this car is just a Focus for the lot, so I am not going to kill myself anymore. Those days are over.
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The only times I've used anything after the PI-III MG were when I saw a specific potential benefit from it. I think you *might* benefit a little from an additional product like the SMR but *I* wouldn't bother. And FWIW, I don't like the SMR stuff from 3M all that well, I'd use a Meg's pure polish if I wanted to do something more. Which I wouldn't, not for a lot car ;)
 
RAG said:
I like optimum and feel I was one of the original proponents. But if you don't mind dust, Menzerna cannot be beat. In fact, I don't know of any polishes even close, unfortunately. Try mixin in about 1/3 of RMG, it will help the workability tremendously.



Other compounds that cut as well as PG do not finish down nearly as well, leaving substantially deeper swirls/halograms, and worse, they typically leave a sparatic swirls or two that seem to be twice as deep as the rest, forcing you to have to use another heavy compound just to remove these; PG does not do this. So don't give up on PG yet.
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RAG said:
Yup. Optimum Hyper Compound is good, but the Menzerna abrasives cannot be beat...I was a Menzerna die-hard, then temporarily switched to Optimum, now I use both. But in a heads up comparison, Menzerna is far superior (of done side by side testing probably a dozen times at least, and Menzerna removes more defects and yet leaves a better finish), but dust is an issue for some. However, one day I decided to mix in a little RMG to improve the workability of PG and reduce dust, and it worked wonderfully. In fact, I'm sure all those who have now tried it would agree; I usually mix 70/30 with PG and IP (FP II doesn't need it). With the mix, I get about 1/4 the dust, and if I switch out pads regularly (I have a ton of pads), I get basically no dust.
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Exactly. However I also mix RMG with FPII, not because of dust (FPII hardly dusts at all), but because I like the added benefit you get from the RMG re: a darkening of the paint. FPII is incredible on it's own of course, but RMG just gives it a little kick in the butt. The RMG also makes all three much easier to wipe off when you're done working them.



PG still gums up pads crazy fast, but as RAG mentioned if you switch pads often you can essentially eliminate the dust with 30% RMG, same with IP.



I still use OHC/OC/OP but mostly either in the sun, or the OC/OP mix for one step polishing that requires a bit more bite than FPII has. For the most part the Menzerna/RMG mixes are what I've been "going to" for the past couple months.



:bigups
 
excuse me for asking, but can you please tell me what the RMG mix is....what does that stand for?



Also, OHC/OC/OP combos?



thank you,

Nick
 
RMG = clearkote's Red Moose Machine Glaze



OHC = Optimum Hyper Compound

OC = Optimum Compound

OP = Optimum Polish



Apparently some folks work these last three together in varying proportions to get different levels of aggressiveness.
 
A dumb question but OHC is more aggressive than OC, yes? I ordered a bottle of OC to try it... don't have any cars that would need OHC so I skipped it.



also, when you say mixing RMG with OC or whatever else... just put them both in a little bottle and shake them up?
 
Guys, what's your issue with PI-II?



I am getting a super deal on the fine cut and super duty compounds... But I don't want to get them if they're not worth it.
 
InfamousDX said:
A dumb question but OHC is more aggressive than OC, yes? I ordered a bottle of OC to try it... don't have any cars that would need OHC so I skipped it.



also, when you say mixing RMG with OC or whatever else... just put them both in a little bottle and shake them up?
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I wouldn't bother mixing RMG with OC unless you wanted to diminish its aggressiveness. I (and others) have been mixing RMG with the Menzerna products to increase working time and virtually eliminate dusting - neither of which is a problem with the Optimum polishes.





autobahn said:
Guys, what's your issue with PI-II?
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I've never much cared for the 3M polishes... they seem to dry quickly and HOLY DUSTING Batman... I've never had much luck with them finishing down as well as others, either. Some people like them and swear by them but I much prefer Menzerna and Optimum for their ease of use, working time, reliability on various paints, and finishing quality.
 
Hi guys,

Noob here - Just wondering if the Menzerna IP can be mixed with other things to increase its usuage time and decrease the dusting. What about mixing that with Klasse AIO? Would that work?
 
well I ordered optimum compound, then optimum polish, and then Poorboy's EX Sealant with Carnauba to top it off, so hopefully my finished product will turn out pretty good? :nixweiss also, my car (03 Oxford white mach 1) and my brothers (03 True Blue GT) have minor swirls and no oxidation, so hopefully these products will be enough to get the job done :nixweiss
 
autobahn said:
Guys, what's your issue with PI-II?



I am getting a super deal on the fine cut and super duty compounds... But I don't want to get them if they're not worth it.
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Only tried the FCRC (39002 in the 16 oz bottle). Not bad, no problems with it. It didn't finish out as nicely as PI-III RC 05933 so you'll be doing a milder follow up for sure. Don't breath the dust or it'll do an asbestos-type number on your lungs. Use a proper mask, no point in dying over this stuff.



I'd be *very* leery of trying the Super Duty, but then I like sorta mild products. The PI-III Extra Cut 05936 was plenty aggressive enough and was definitely rotary-only. The FCRC works OK by hand/PC/Cylo as well as rotary.
 
RAG said:
Yup. Optimum Hyper Compound is good, but the Menzerna abrasives cannot be beat...I was a Menzerna die-hard, then temporarily switched to Optimum, now I use both. But in a heads up comparison, Menzerna is far superior (of done side by side testing probably a dozen times at least, and Menzerna removes more defects and yet leaves a better finish), but dust is an issue for some. However, one day I decided to mix in a little RMG to improve the workability of PG and reduce dust, and it worked wonderfully. In fact, I'm sure all those who have now tried it would agree; I usually mix 70/30 with PG and IP (FP II doesn't need it). With the mix, I get about 1/4 the dust, and if I switch out pads regularly (I have a ton of pads), I get basically no dust.
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I wanted to try Menzerna too, but a paint guru told me they are originally a metal polish company and Menzerna is trying to get into the BMW and MB plants , but were kicked out for a lack of techincal support
 
That is one of the biggest BS of all times.



Menzerna is one of the largest abrasive manufacturer of the world. They are active in the gem sector, automotive OEM prep/manufacturing, metal polishing, basically whatever you want. They provide fantastic knowledge base and products that deliver.
 
Bence said:
That is one of the biggest BS of all times.



Menzerna is one of the largest abrasive manufacturer of the world. They are active in the gem sector, automotive OEM prep/manufacturing, metal polishing, basically whatever you want. They provide fantastic knowledge base and products that deliver.
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Hey, don't shoot the messenger, this is guy is a very reliable source that I don't want to disclose, he even carries Menzerna, but he has never bullshited me ! I can tell you he is a consultant and helps to provide feedback to develop the professional line of polishes for the GM of polish company !
 
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