Face-Off: P21s 100% vs. Zaino Z2pro w/ pics

dsms

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Simple side by side test between P21s 100% carnuba wax and Zaino Z2pro. From the beginning all I have used for LSP was Z2pro and so far I have been very happy with the results but I wanted to try a wax so I ordered the new P21s stuff, for the looks and the price it seemed like the way to go. (BTW thanks Todd for your earlier detailed review of this wax)



The Comparison:



A 2006 black (non metallic) 330xi was the test bed. This car was previously detailed by me about 1 month ago and was still in very good condition. The prior LSP used was 3 coats of Z5pro ZFX'd. I started with a quick ONR wash of the hood followed by Ultrafina and a finishing pad to prep the surface and remove the old sealant.



Each side was given 2 coats of each product. No glazes were used as bases. ZFX was added to Z2pro to aid in curing time, but this time it was not followed by the usual Z8 wipedown. This was a test between the two products to see which performed better by itself. For regular details I will be using CG EZ creme or RMG w/ the P21s wax and if Z2pro is used it will be followed by Z8. I will also see if I can do a test w/ P21s 100% layered on top of Z2pro:drool:



LEFT SIDE- Z2pro RIGHT SIDE- P21s 100%



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I began w/ the wax using a red LC ccs applicator(the included P21s applicator seemed fine to use and fit nicely in the tub but I chose one of my red ones instead)



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P21s 100% Application: This is a really nice wax to use, goes on clean and buffs off amazingly smooth. I applied 1 very thin coat w/ the red pad by hand, worked in lightly and let it haze for a short time before buffing off. At which time I went to apply the Zaino stuff. The second coat of wax came 30 minutes later.



*Remember this pictures are all taken within about an 80minute span so both LSP's were not given a full 12 hours to cure*



The P21s result:Not having used a nuba before I wasnt sure what to expect but I was very pleased with the outcome. I am not used to a deep warm glowing look and it looked incredible in person, I could tell the difference between the two looks of wax and sealant best in my garage. The finish looked like silky smooth glass and it had this radient shine. I like a mirror image type look and crystal clarity and I didnt think a nuba could do this for me but the P21s stuff did, maybe not as well as Z2 but pretty damn close.There was no hazy look or distorted reflections with the wax. It really is a more elegant looking product. IMO I would rather apply 2 coats of this wax by hand compared to 2 coats of Z2pro by hand, it seems easier. So far very impressed with this wax:xyxthumbs





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Next Up: Zaino Z2pro



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Z2pro Application: Applied 2 thin coats w/ CG MF applicator in straight lines. Each coat was given almost 25minutes to cure before buffing off. A little more work goes into the Zaino application when working in the sealant but its still very easy to use and a farily quick process. The wax w/ the red applicator seemed to move smoother on the surface though.



After 1st coat:



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After 2nd coat:



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Z2pro Result: What can I say, Z2pro as usual looked incredible. I previously used Z5 on this car but I decided if I was going to compare P21s's best product I should compare it to Zaino's best, Z2pro. I really like the look of Z2 on black now. I came into this thing thinking the P21s stuff was going to be my favorite but I have to say Z2pro is tough to beat even without that final Z8 wipedown! The look is similar to what I expected but a bit more clear compared to the Z5, usually it follows 106ff but this time I got to use my Ultrafina and I think it made a little difference in the finish, more crisp. Z2 is very very reflective and has nearly perfect optical clarity(which I like), as you can see the posters in my garage are very clear. It does however lack some depth and that warm nuba glow but it makes up for it with a high gloss. Some cars would benefit from the Z2 look and other the P21s look.



Smoothness: Z2pro takes this one hands down, the finish is very slick and silky smooth to touch, P21s still smooth but not as much as the Z2.



*I think a great middle ground would be 1 coat of Z2pro followed by 2 coats of 100%. (Stay tuned for a 1991 M5 w/ this combo)*



It was about 75 degrees I took the car outside for some shots in the sun... and I found the results to be pretty interesting. In the garage it was pretty easy to differentiate between the nuba and the sealant but outside this wasnt the case. In direct sun the glow of the P21s really came out and showed the deep color of the finish while the Z2 shined w/ a high gloss.



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P21S side...



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Z2pro side...



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Telling the difference not so easy anymore:think:



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P21s

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Z2, clarity!

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Its very hard to tell from the pics but each had their own look, and I liked both of them. With the trees reflecting on the paint the P21s didnt have that Zaino clarity and combined sharpness but it did have a deep rich color and a beautiful glow. The Zaino is basically what you see is what you get, on black its great but IMO on silver it can looked a little artificial and plasticy sometimes, as I found with a silver porsche. I wish I had a better camera to take these pictures as well.



Conclusion: I think each product is excellent in its own way. Applications were similar and both easy to apply although I like not having to enable ZFX w/ the wax and prefer its general application. For me, seeing that deep and warm carnauba glow was awesome, I enjoyed having to take a step back to admire the finish and get the full effect of the deep finish. To me the results didnt seem like they came from a $50 tub but rather something much more expensive.



The Z2 as always performed like a champ and looked incredible on black but its a static type product and you dont have that added warm tone IMO but the clarity and smoothness compensate. I think I will be more likely to grab for the P21s though next time im working on a silver car.



As for my new purchase I think the true potential for the P21s 100% lies in a great base coat, weather it be a Zaino sealant or a glaze. I will soon experiment with both and see for myself. But after only one day and one car I have to say im happy with the result.




One last one for ya



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nice write up - thanks. I cant see any difference in your pictures, so appreciate your first hand comments. I guess the killer would be the durability issue, as I understand the P21s is not going to last well in a climate like I have ;)
 
Great info, thanks. I finally understand all this talk about nuba glow. I put Z5 pro and #16 as a side by side comparison. Both look great hower under certain lighting conditions in the evening the #16 side just 'glows'. When first applied the nuba side definately had the advantage of slickness but after 3 weeks of daily driving,rain, several QDs and a NXT wash the #16 side's slickness definately fell below that of the Z5 side.



I have S100 and lookswise I can't really tell between Z5 and S100 freshly applied. Both are sharp and clear didn't see any advantage in S100 over Z5. Never noticed the 'glow' from S100 that #16 gave. This new PS21s 100% must be some real improvement gottta get my hands on some to try.



Pls update on durability esp slickness. If it holds on for 4 weeks plus its a winner in my book. I'll put my 6 full tins of #16 on ebay - just joking.:clap:
 
Thanks for taking the time to do this kind of comparison. Your opinions expressed mirror my own findings. Each product has its own peculiarity and it really boils down to personal preference of the look varying in color from vehicle to vehicle.



No need to take a back seat in the picture taking department either. A nice documented post. Very enjoyable read. Again thanks for your efforts!!
 
To me it seems as if Z2pro is a bit more reflective. It probably is more evident in person than on film. I suspect that Z5pro would look very similar to the S100.
 
First off, thanks for doing this. I never get tired of reading these comparisons, and this one was very well done and interesting.



dsms said:
It was about 75 degrees I took the car outside for some shots in the sun... and I found the results to be pretty interesting. In the garage it was pretty easy to differentiate between the nuba and the sealant but outside this wasnt the case. In direct sun the glow of the P21s really came out and showed the deep color of the finish while the Z2 shined w/ a high gloss.



This seems a bit confusing, so I was hoping you could clarify. You said that in the garage it was easy to see the difference between the nuba and the sealant, but outside that wasn't the case.



But then in the next sentence you say outside, in direct sun, the glow of the p21s really came out and showed the deep color of the finish while z2 shined w/ a high gloss.



So, it seems that there actually was a noticeable difference in the sun. Was that also the case in the shade (garage) as well, or did you mean to say that you could NOT tell a difference in the garage?
 
I'd be interested to see which one looks the best after a month. I'd expect the Zaino to bead much longer than the P21S, but few people ever compare looks after the initial application.
 
Good write up and thanks for sharing your observations. Most all of the products reviewed here at Autopia are top notch. As we've seen time and time again, both products look really nice. It's really just a matter of personal preference and to be quite honest "mood". Some times I'm in the mood for maximum gloss and clarity., while other times I want depth, wetness and glow. There is no right or wrong here. It's like trying to find a winner between lobster and filet mignon. With that said, I must say that the Z2 side had some seriously crisp reflectivity.



Patrick
 
Nice write-up, very interesting read. I tend to be a carnauba guy myself, never full warmed to sealants harder shine but I do love the durability and I suspect Zaino will easily win that contest. As easy as P21S/S100 are to apply though, that may end up being a wash since you can easily add another coat each month.
 
Thanks for the detailed write up. With that kind of info it makes me feel like I did the review myself or was there with you to watch. Thanks again that will save me one comparison for myself.
 
Scottwax said:
Nice write-up, very interesting read. I tend to be a carnauba guy myself, never full warmed to sealants harder shine but I do love the durability and I suspect Zaino will easily win that contest. As easy as P21S/S100 are to apply though, that may end up being a wash since you can easily add another coat each month.



I think each product by itself has its strengths and would be more suited to specific cars, but together I think Z2 topped w/ P21s 100% is going to be a killer combo. As far as durability goes I think I will weigh my decision on more sealant or more nuba based on the customers needs; a garage kept Bentley GT might get only one coat of the Z2 and multiple coats of the 100% where as a daily driven Yukon might be more suited for a full Z2 treatment ZFX'd for the added durability. RMG and the EZ creme should be here tommorow so I will play around and see what works best also.
 
To all of the Zaino lovers out there, please don't take this the wrong way. First off, Zaino looks fantastic on all colors. It has a very distinct sharp plastic look to it that is really cool. I have it on the want list. But when it comes to black, I like the deep glow of a quality nuba. I am not really looking for a mirror effect. To me, a mirror effect takes away from the car. I want people looking into the paint and the lines of the car. A paint can be so reflective that your not seeing the car but a reflexion of everything around it. Maybe it is just me, but I am usually pretty proud of the polishing job that I have done.



A nuba allows you to see into the paint and how flawless it actually is. There is nothing more beautiful than a perfectly polished black Bentley. It is such a soft deep black that looks like you could actually reach into the paint. I would hate to ruin that with the reflexion of the 1983 Chevy Chevette that is in the next lane over.



I just like to show off my work. You can't see it if the only thing you can see is yourself.



Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of cars and colors out there that look absolutely amazing with Zaino. I have witnessed many a member of Autopia that have had incredible results with the whole Z lineup. Again, would love to have the stuff. But i just tend to be a nuba fan.



I have pakshak on the other screen right now with 100% ordered. Will show pictures of some cool cars next week with the DWG, 100% lineup.
 
Great review! Thanks for taking the time to do it and share your results. I do have one question, did you go straight to Z2 after Ultrafina? or did you do a IPO wipe down? I'm hoping that it was a straight from one to the other, sure would save a step.
 
IMO you are not going to get zaino to bond to UF without at least a wipedown. I always do a full foam with the lance/Z7 and then a bucket wash prior to zaino.
 
fergnation said:
To all of the Zaino lovers out there, please don't take this the wrong way. First off, Zaino looks fantastic on all colors. It has a very distinct sharp plastic look to it that is really cool. I have it on the want list. But when it comes to black, I like the deep glow of a quality nuba. I am not really looking for a mirror effect. To me, a mirror effect takes away from the car. I want people looking into the paint and the lines of the car. A paint can be so reflective that your not seeing the car but a reflexion of everything around it. Maybe it is just me, but I am usually pretty proud of the polishing job that I have done.



A nuba allows you to see into the paint and how flawless it actually is. There is nothing more beautiful than a perfectly polished black Bentley. It is such a soft deep black that looks like you could actually reach into the paint. I would hate to ruin that with the reflexion of the 1983 Chevy Chevette that is in the next lane over.



I just like to show off my work. You can't see it if the only thing you can see is yourself.



Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of cars and colors out there that look absolutely amazing with Zaino. I have witnessed many a member of Autopia that have had incredible results with the whole Z lineup. Again, would love to have the stuff. But i just tend to be a nuba fan.



I have pakshak on the other screen right now with 100% ordered. Will show pictures of some cool cars next week with the DWG, 100% lineup.



IMO, this is overstating the matter.



Yes, you might get a little more depth and warmth with carnauba than a sealant, but you make it sound as though there is a huge difference, and you can't see the "work" you did "if the only thing you can see is yourself". The fact is that you will see little difference in reflectivity between a sealant and carnauba.....certainly much less than you would lead us to believe.
 
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