Experiences with Ceramic Sealant Long Term Performance ( Ceramic Pro 9H or Other Brands ) ?

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skyhawk172

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Hello,

I recently had Ceramic Pro 9H coating applied to my car, and after a few thousand miles, I have been very pleased with the ease of washing and drying. Dust, and grass clippings just slide right off the paint surface with little effort.
However, I noticed despite their claims to the contrary, ( such as a video of someone beating a car treated by Ceramic Pro 9H with the back end of lighter, to no ill effect ) that it does not seem to protect the car from rock chips or scratches.
I've had a few chips from highway driving that went down to the white primer coat? ( white scratches on a black car ) Even after having the car coated. Perhaps there aren't any waxes, synthetic sealants, or ceramic coatings that can actually help with that?

What kinds of experiences are you all having long term, after a year or more? Do these products really hold up long term? Ceramic Pro 9H is supposed to last for 48-60 months. I've also heard that if your car did need to touch up rock chops or scratches, or repaint anything, that it would be very difficult to do so with a ceramic coating applied.

Would you recommend going with ceramic? Or is it preferable to do something like have a good synthetic sealant, applied maybe every 6 months instead? Which treatment would be the best at protecting against water spotting issues?

Thanks!
 
I don't think any coating ceramic or otherwise would stop a rock chip. I have had EXO v1 and v2 as well as Opticoat 2.0 on my vehicles and it did not eliminate chipping issues. The opticoated vehicles were less chipped but that could have more to do with them being lower mileage and not my DD than the coatings.

The only way to reduce chipping (no eliminate) is paint protection film. The xpel ultimate or suntec are the best. I have only experienced the 3m scotch, 3m venture and would not recommend either and the xpel ultimate with it much better IMHO.
 
Thanks, that seems to the case wherever I look as far as the lack of protection against rock chips and scratches. However, I would like to know if ceramic coatings hold up over the course of several years as far as providing protection from water spotting, and continue to bead water and allow dust etc. to slide right off. Even though it is initially a more expensive treatment than synthetic sealants and waxes, it would work out better if it really does last for 4 or 5 years.
 
I think it's hard to lump *all* coatings into a blanket statement of durability since they're all slightly different. Having said that, I think they're a great option especially for daily drivers (provided you continue to wash with care).
 
In my personal experience I will tell you that any live you get past the 2 year mark is a gift on a coating. My personal experience is with EXO and OC 2.0. Don't get me wrong. The protection is there and they clean up easy but the beading and slickness is long gone.

I am a big coating fan IF:

1. You can polish to the point where you are content with the looks of the car. No going back after the coating to remove swirls missed.

2. You can wash properly 2BM and keep up the good finish

3. You have better things to do than mess with the car every 4 weeks (past washing). The time it has saved my is amazing, while keeping my car looking far better.

4. Although more $ up front, and a long day and a half for me, it still saves money and time over the span of 2 years.

skyhawk172 said:
Thanks, that seems to the case wherever I look as far as the lack of protection against rock chips and scratches. However, I would like to know if ceramic coatings hold up over the course of several years as far as providing protection from water spotting, and continue to bead water and allow dust etc. to slide right off. Even though it is initially a more expensive treatment than synthetic sealants and waxes, it would work out better if it really does last for 4 or 5 years.
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Until someone comes up with a diamond based coating (hardest rock on earth), you will not get protection from rock chips from a coating, sealant or wax. If someone is telling you that it will, don't do business with them. Will ceramic coatings help REDUCE the chance of light marring and swirl marks? Yup. But nothing out there short of covering your vehicle with bed liner is going to protect your paint of inevitable rock chips. I believe your expectations for a coating were set a little too high.

As for having to repaint or do any type of work like that... It won't make any difference at all unless you're trying to paint directly over the coating. Which would also basically mean you did zero prep work. Coatings go on so thin, as soon as you go at it with sandpaper it will be gone
 
I don't know of a coating that will eliminate, or even minimize stone chips. And the marketing claims/tactics that not only the companies that sell them, as well as some of the detailers installing them make are doing nothing but fooling people into buying their products. Many tout durability time measurements yet don't disclose that a certain booster type product is needed to create this claimed longevity. I think as more time passes that more people are going to be posting negative findings about their findings. If you want to truly protect your paint, the only solution not drive your car or have it wrapped in Paint Protection Film (PPF).
 
skyhawk172 said:
Hello,

I recently had Ceramic Pro 9H coating applied to my car, and after a few thousand miles, I have been very pleased with the ease of washing and drying. Dust, and grass clippings just slide right off the paint surface with little effort.
However, I noticed despite their claims to the contrary, ( such as a video of someone beating a car treated by Ceramic Pro 9H with the back end of lighter, to no ill effect ) that it does not seem to protect the car from rock chips or scratches.
I've had a few chips from highway driving that went down to the white primer coat? ( white scratches on a black car ) Even after having the car coated. Perhaps there aren't any waxes, synthetic sealants, or ceramic coatings that can actually help with that?

What kinds of experiences are you all having long term, after a year or more? Do these products really hold up long term? Ceramic Pro 9H is supposed to last for 48-60 months. I've also heard that if your car did need to touch up rock chops or scratches, or repaint anything, that it would be very difficult to do so with a ceramic coating applied.

Would you recommend going with ceramic? Or is it preferable to do something like have a good synthetic sealant, applied maybe every 6 months instead? Which treatment would be the best at protecting against water spotting issues?

Thanks!
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cermaic pro 9h is guranteed for life of the car. After application it has to be inspected every year by a certified cermaic pro applicator. If not then gurantee is for 5 years after application or last date of certified inspection
 
steve1972 said:
cermaic pro 9h is guranteed for life of the car. After application it has to be inspected every year by a certified cermaic pro applicator. If not then gurantee is for 5 years after application or last date of certified inspection
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Its ceramic, not cermaic :)

So, what exactly is the process the certified ceramic pro applicator performs on the paint in the Inspection ?

Dan F
 
So, still not sure what the Inspection is...

But for sure, under "Exclusions from Warranty", it lists about every type of normal occurrence (swirls, improper wash, etc., rocks, water etch..

Is the "diamond hard" finish so fragile that most normal things that happen to a daily driver need to be excluded from getting help under the warranty?

Does this extremely limiting Warranty apply only to Australia ?
Dan F
 
Personally I liked the idea of a coating until I saw that warranty. I might as well just keep doing my KAIO + 4-6x layers SG, and not expect anything more than the great results I've been getting.
 
Hello, can you confirm that Ceramic pro is one of the best coating choice ? Can we buy it online and DIY or only pro can buy it ? Thank you.
 
benzw205 said:
Hello, can you confirm that Ceramic pro is one of the best coating choice ? Can we buy it online and DIY or only pro can buy it ? Thank you.
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Well it's Bic approved! :D

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I was looking into a self heal ceramjc coating out of Australia..but minimum order to. Ship to use is ridiculous ..min of 7k USD lmao

Perhaps I can get an Aussie friend to buy 1 and ship it to me
And on Mohs scale all ceramic/nano coatings range from under 8 but min of 7
I'd imagine SIO4 would be a somewhat easystep up from current formulations no?

And as far as I know we still only have 1 rubber based coating from the UK which leaves no water spotting like the current nano/ceramic

Gyeon is prob one of the best in regards to scratch/marring along with another company I plan to try
 
Manufacturers should not state how long a coating (or any other product) will last. There are too many variables in play. My coating will last forever if I never take it out of the garage, while the coating on a daily driver may not last 6 months. If you notice there is no money back guarantee on most products sold, just manufacturers claims of longevity. Buyer beware and results may vary should be in the very small print. I do not believe any coating will stand up to repeated abuse from rocks or even high velocity sand.
 
Years ago I used a well known product on my old work van. I did just the hood and front corners. After a couple years, those 3 panels still looked good but the rest of the clear coat had gotten chalky looking. Sometimes old school products outlive the over hyped products.
 
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