Email from 3m re: PI III finishing Glaze

Here's it's MSDS:



3M UK PLC

3M HOUSE, PO BOX 1, MARKET PLACE,

BRACKNELL, BERKSHIRE RG12 1JU

Tel: 01344 858000





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MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET

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Document id : 09-3456-2 Issue date : 2001.04.11

Version : 3.00 Supersedes date : 2001.04.06

Document status : : 1









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1 IDENTIFICATION OF THE SUBSTANCE/PREPARATION

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Tradename:

3M(TM) PERFECT-IT III FINISHING GLAZE 09377



3M Product ID:

GC-8008-5623-6 GC-8008-5622-8 GC-8008-5621-0

GC-8008-2827-6



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2 COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS

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Ingredient name and classification CAS number Percentage

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WATER 7732-18-5 3 -> 5.0 - 50.0

DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM), ACID 64742-14-9 -> 10.0 - 20.0

TREATED, LIGHT

WAX EMULSION --- -> 1.0 - 10.0

SILICONE --- -> 5.0 - 10.0

NAPHTHOL SPIRITS 64742-48-9 -> 5.0 - 10.0

EU Hazard Symbols and Risk Phrases: T; R:45-65

ALUMINIUM OXIDE 1344-28-1 -> 1.0 - 5.0

POLYETHYLENE WAX --- -> 1.0 - 5.0

POLYURETHANE DISPERSION --- -> 1.0 - 5.0

MINERAL OIL 8042-47-5 -> 1 - 5

GLYCERIN 56-81-5 -> 1.0 - 5.0

ACRYLIC POLYMER --- -> 1.0 - 5.0
 
FG = PI-3 Finishing Glaze

IHG = Imperial Hand Glaze



Depth: IHG has more depth, FG has more gloss



Ease: FG is easier



Time: FG is faster



Keep in mind that these are two entirely different products. IHG is a pure glaze, FG is more like GEPC or PUPP-C.

As always, YMMV!
 
Sounds like the best description of this product is a light polish or even a cleaner wax. I bet PI-III FG, then IHG, then s100 would be a great combo.
 
Here’s a link to the 3M’s USA PI-3 Finishing Glaze page.





And here’s a link to the USA MSDS.





The USA MSDS is an Adobe Acrobat document, and I don’t know how to do a copy/paste, so here is a screen shot of the ingredients section - - - It looks at though the UK and US versions are entirely different products!
 
To make matter even worse, this is an exact copy of part of the label of 3M’s professional products, including both PI-3 FG and MG. The capitalization is theirs, not mine.



IMPORTANT NOTICE: 3M MAKES NO WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. User is responsible for determining whether this 3M product is fit for a particular purpose and suitable for user’s method of application.
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I’m guessing, but I think that a lawyer would say that this means that no matter what 3M has said, directly or indirectly, about their products, it does not necessarily mean that the products do or act as they have said in their advertising or on their labels.



In other words, your guess is as good as mine as to what any given 3M product is good for or what its effect will be!
 
So Nick, I must presume that our 3M FG is more of a sealant wax, as it contains acrylic polymer.



As I had to clean my cars hood today, I used PI-III Machine Polish that is not like your Machine Glaze as it's very mild, looks like their SMR Dark Colors, than I followed with GEPC and applied FG.



All this on 3/4 of the hood, the section that needed cleaning, but the FG I applied to all hood, including the section where I didn't polish and that had previous coats of EX over FG.

Well, I can't say it removed the EX, but the surface was still smoother when buffing than the rest of the hood, thus I presume it layered on top of the EX.
 
By the way, you have PI-III Machine Glaze, while we have Machine Polish. Yours is more abrasive than ours, a very mild polish. Here's their MSDS, US first:



Ingredient C.A.S. No. % by Wt

WATER 7732-18-5 -> 60 - 80

DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM), ACID TREATED, LIGHT 64742-14-9 -> 10 - 20

ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 67-63-0 -> 3 - 7

ALUMINUM OXIDE 1344-28-1 -> 3 - 7

HYDROTREATED LIGHT PETROLEUM DISTILLATES 64742-47-8 -> 1 - 5

ALUMINUM SILICATE CLAY 66402-68-4 -> 1 - 5

GLYCERIN 56-81-5 -> 1 - 5







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2 COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS

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Ingredient name and classification CAS number Percentage

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WATER 7732-18-5 -> 55 - 65

DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM), ACID 64742-14-9 -> 15 - 25

TREATED, LIGHT

ALUMINIUM OXIDE 1344-28-1 -> 7 - 13

C9-C12-ISO-ALKANES 90622-57-4 -> 5 - 10

EU Hazard Symbols and Risk Phrases: Xn; R:65 (Vendor

Classified)

GLYCERIN 56-81-5 -> 1 - 5

ACRYLIC POLYMER --- -> 1 - 5

WHITE MINERAL OIL (PETROLEUM) 8042-47-5 -> 0.5 - 1.5



Diferent products as-well.
 
But I've learned a lot from this thread, and our PI-III line is a very interesting line, lets see, Fast Cut Compound, Fine Compound, Machine Polish and Finishing Glaze. Each product prepares the way to the following product, for example, the FC has dispersible polymers, then the MP has acrylic polymers, the same present in the FG.



Now, as our FG doesn't appear to contain carnauba it might be a good base for other acrylic waxes, such as UPP, and adding the UPP shine to FG depth... I'll go try :D
 
ok I admit it. I am totaly confused after reading this topic. I bought 3M Imperial Hand Glaze (part number 05990 I live in Greece so this is Europe part number) and 3M Perfect-It III Finishing Glaze (part number 09377). Before reading this I have in mind applying first IHG (in order to remove minor swirl marks) and then P-III FG as a sealer. Is that the correct order? I start to believe that these two products is the same but from diferent product lines and I made a goof buying both.



Please help me.
 
When I was getting the information from Accumulator he advised 3M P-III products:

05933 Rubbing compound

05937 Machine glaze

These are the actual product names on the containers. This is basically a 1/2 combination of products with the 05933 being the coarser of the two.



In regard to what companies tell you, take everything they tell you with a grain of salt!!



3M and two other companies gave me conflicting stories on different phone conversations. I now just plain take the advise from most of the Autopia regulars and detailers.

Changeling
 
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