Duragloss FC & Zaino Z6 - Same Product????

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gmblack3a said:
In my testing of Z8 and AW. I found Z8 to have an especially deeper appearance on dark colors. Also the slickness of Z8 would last longer. I have been using AW as a lube in my QEW bucket.
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I have also found that AW mutes the metalic in my paint and Z8 enhances the metalic in my paint.
 
dogma said:
I have also found that AW mutes the metalic in my paint and Z8 enhances the metalic in my paint.
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I used those two, side by side, panel by panel on a metallic black BMW 750 after I started hearing rumblings about the similarities. Out in the full sun, neither my customer or I could tell any difference in appearance between the two. Slickness also felt the same after application and 4 weeks later after a couple ONR washes and 1 dealer wash.



I also found this interesting:



Zaino AIO on the left, Duragloss 101 on the right.



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Never seen this specific warning printed on anything I have used except Duragloss and Zaino. :hm



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Both product lines are also proponents of 100% cotton towels. Does that make them the same, or maybe one is a tweaked version of the other? Maybe, maybe not. If there is a connection, I highly doubt either company would admit to it anyway. :nixweiss
 
Does Sal have a brother in business with him? I don't recall anyone ever referring to his brother when talking about Zaino. If you go to Zainobros.com, it automatically links to zainostore.com. I'm not familiar with Zaino's history, but at some point was Bros. part of their name? I don't see anything on their website at the moment referring to Zaino Bros, so maybe it's a marketing strategy to make them look different than Brothers Research of DG. With DG on the otherhand, I know some people have actually talked to one of the brothers.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I think you're out of your mind. Sal has his own manufacturing facility where he makes his own base chemicals from the roots of exotic plants and the pelts of small animals, as well as distilling the finest petroleum.
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howareb said:
All that I am saying is that the similarities (between FCS and Z6) are incredibly close.... Of course you can disagree, this is America. ;) . I just wanted to get everyone else's take on it. I love Zaino and I love Duragloss.
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Your findings are not out of sync to what I found.
 
What if there is only 1 guy in a dark lab somewhere that makes every wax and sealant on the market, and then sells them to resellers?



I think I saw Elvis and Marilyn Monroe at the supermarket tonight also.
 
Outside of doing a chemical analysis, my theory on the subject is that Zaino is a concentrated version of Duragloss. Z6 and FCS both have the same fragrance just at different strengths. Z6 also could be the color of FCS simply by diluting it. Z6 is also slightly thicker than FCS, but not much. The same holds true with Z8 and AW. Z8 and AW have the same fragrance just at different strengths. It would also explain their price differences also. Zaino is the high-end botique version and Duragloss is the consumer version.



You think Duragloss is cheap (Cheaper than Zaino, yes)? Has everyone noticed how expensive Duragloss gallons are when compared to Meguiars?



Just for kicks I also looked at the glass polishes of each company and both have the same warning that Scottwax mentions above. Both products again have identical fragrances and textures. Could this actually be true that these products have more in common than what is marketed. HMMMM!!!
 
I agree that some of DG's products are quite expensive. Some things I think are worth the extra cost (like their car wash concentrate), but I can't justify paying up to 2x the cost (compared to other bulk lines) for some of their other products like their interior and exterior dressings, despite them being excellent products.
 
howareb said:
Z6 and FCS both have the same fragrance just at different strengths. Z6 also could be the color of FCS simply by diluting it. Z6 is also slightly thicker than FCS, but not much. The same holds true with Z8 and AW. Z8 and AW have the same fragrance just at different strengths.
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The only DG products I have are the wash and AW...but I don't recall either of them smelling like the Z products...I'll have to do a sniff check.
 
I guess I'll jump into the discussion. There are several DG products that make perfectly fine (and cheaper) alternatives to Zaino's line: example 901 is a fine replacement for Z7 (and if you buy the gallon of 902 it is a huge cost savings), FC&S is a fine replacement for Z6 (these two are the most interchangeable to me), AW is a fine replacement for Z8 (although Z8 still looks a bit nicer to me but you get more product of AW (22 oz for $6.99) versus Z8 (16oz for $19.99 plus shipping), DG Leather Shampoo/Conditioner are a fine alternative to Z9/Z10. I can't speak for the polishes yet (105/111) but I love Z5 Pro and Z2 Pro. Are they the same, not exactly but fine alternatives at a much better price for many products (my opinion only). I'm sure I read on here (this discussion has come up many times before) :) that Sal had admitted to working with the DG guys many years ago so, if this is true, I can see why there are so many similarities between the product lines today. Bottom line- they are both absolutely top notch products and, as Tiger Mike said, Zaino probably updates/tweaks their line more often than DG, maybe at Sal's request. ;)
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I think you're out of your mind. Sal has his own manufacturing facility where he makes his own base chemicals from the roots of exotic plants and the pelts of small animals, as well as distilling the finest petroleum.



When I get a chance I'm going to drive down to the Zaino World Headquarters and see if I can get a tour and some pics of the plant. Of course, it's possible that the manufacturing facility isn't co-located with the World Headquarters here in NJ, it could be down in the Carolinas or something....
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Too much Setec... You are too much :laugh:



Duragloss (and maybe Zaino) is made in North Carolina (if I remeber right) for those who did not know.
 
doooods the black helicopters are coming.



I used to talk to a guy on a different forum years ago that lived near the Duragloss plant and he claimed the other stuff to be at least bottled there. I personally have never been there so I don't know. Just what I was told.



I started using Zaino approx 8-10 years ago and then came across Duragloss in a local parts store a year or 2 after that and at that time for sure they were REAL similar if not the same. Perhaps they were originally relabeled or started as Duragloss and then slightly tweaked to Sal's specs for his own line. I do not have any newer Zaino formulations so no comparo there.



no one but Sal and the plant workers will probably ever really know. :dig



but about 200 more people will post after this and say lord knows what :cry:
 
Setec Astronomy said:
The only DG products I have are the wash and AW...but I don't recall either of them smelling like the Z products...I'll have to do a sniff check.
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Well TigerMike did mention that the wash smells different. But they work the same. I have never used the duragloss wash, so I do not know about that one. Do the sniff test on the AW and Z8, and let me know what you think.
 
MattPersman said:
Perhaps they were originally relabeled or started as Duragloss and then slightly tweaked to Sal's specs for his own line.
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Maybe Sal invented the whole product line and needed somewhere to get it processed and bottled and the DG guys liked it so much he let them license a cut-rate version of it.
 
howareb said:
Well TigerMike did mention that the wash smells different. But they work the same. I have never used the duragloss wash, so I do not know about that one. Do the sniff test on the AW and Z8, and let me know what you think.
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Color and smell are VERY easy to change between products (dye/scent). If they produce the same results (in your eyes), one costs much less and you get more product, and it's available locally so there's no need to pay shipping or wait to receive your package- would you care if one smelled slightly different or had a tinge of a different color? I wouldn't.

I'm NOT saying they are exactly the same product line (never have) but I am saying the DG line has some fine alternatives for less money.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Maybe Sal invented the whole product line and needed somewhere to get it processed and bottled and the DG guys liked it so much he let them license a cut-rate version of it.
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:laugh: Man you are on a roll today!! LOL
 
NSXTASY said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't duragloss manufactured by Brothers Research......Zaino Brothers....
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This is from the Duragloss website. Brothers Research comes from these gentlemen, not the Zaino brothers.

Brothers Research Corp. was founded in 1975 by Dr. William Bailey and his brother, Jerry to begin marketing a new automotive appearance product.
 
keep in mind, Sal Zaino is a painter, not a chemist by original trade. Theres also only a few different combinations possible to create sealants and detail sprays that are clear coat safe.
 
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