Doubts about Meg's m105, UC, D300, Surbuf etc...

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Fonzy

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Good evening everybody.



I've got some questions about the Meg's rang... The car that is the problem is a Skoda Octavia 1998, with Mica-paint. Turns a little from green to blue in the sun... (is a car from the VAG-group)



The machine that i'm using is a DAP500 (this is the same as the Dual action from Meg's). The pads that i'm using are the Lake Country Orange, White, Lite Green, Black and Gold. I've also got the Microfiber pads from Flexiplates.



See link; 130mm (5") DA Microfibre CUTTING Disc - NEW - Flexipads World Class Limited Are these the same as the pads from meg's? Because in Belgium Meg's is very expensive:eek1:.



Now the story; I've tried getting out all of de rids and swirls on my hood with UC + orange LCpad. It didn't take out any of the swirls or rids, only the dept en clearence was a lot better. Now i'm working with Menzerna but i don't like the workprogress, i prefer SMAT. On my left fender i had a deep Rid, and with M105 + orange pad and holding the DA 3min on the same place, the Rid was gone. The problem is that i only got a sample from the M105. So now am doubting what to buy. I'm learning the KBM-method and it is very effective :-). I would use the KBM-method with the combo's



But what combo would you recommend my (working outside or under a partytent, different cars, and i HATE dusting)



DA Microfibersystem D300 + D301. (does it have to be the pads from Meg's?)

M105 + Surbuf + m205 with foam

UC + UP with Microfibersystem

M105 with Lake country pads.

M101 ??????



Or any other combo?



There sooooooo much info on the site. So i hope you guys can help this Belgian :-)



Grtz



Stephan aka Fonzy
 
FWIW- I've added a drop (dime sized) of d300 to Megs's Microfiber and M105, little to no dusting. The d300 seems to give the m105 more working time as well. Tested this on a black GMC Denali last weekend.
 
johngs4 said:
FWIW- I've added a drop (dime sized) of d300 to Megs's Microfiber and M105, little to no dusting. The d300 seems to give the m105 more working time as well. Tested this on a black GMC Denali last weekend.
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I do the same thing, but I usually use a LC orange pad for cutting.
 
I use Tuf Buf black wool pads with M101 or M105 and it cuts harder than Surbuf pads and finishes almost like foam. It then requires a nice light polishing with foam to clear up the haziness. I highly recommend these pads.
 
I bought D300 only to realize that HD Uno does almost exactly the same thing as it!



If i ever use m105 I usually add a drop of uno and it leaves dusting to a minimum.



No, you don't have to use meg's microfibers, there are other companies that also have them.

One problem that has arisen that I have noticed is that they seem to delaminate from the backing very quickly. It is probably best to switch off after every panel and let each pad cool down IMO.



Why don't you step up to a yellow pad if the orange isn't giving you the cut that you desire?
 
Hi Guys,



Thanks for all the info i'm going to try it out this weekend. I'll post de pictures before and after. I will devide my trunk in 2 areas, One with Microfberpad and M105 + a drop of UC. On the other sida orange LC with same products.



I don't really like the yellow pad. It seems to be just sandingpaper :-)



Grtz
 
Astro_ng said:
I bought D300 only to realize that HD Uno does almost exactly the same thing as it!



If i ever use m105 I usually add a drop of uno and it leaves dusting to a minimum.



No, you don't have to use meg's microfibers, there are other companies that also have them.

One problem that has arisen that I have noticed is that they seem to delaminate from the backing very quickly. It is probably best to switch off after every panel and let each pad cool down IMO.



Why don't you step up to a yellow pad if the orange isn't giving you the cut that you desire?
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The issue I have found with other companies MF pads, is they dont cut as fast as the Megs MF.
 
Hi Guys,



Finally got the time for some compounding with M105 and the microfiber cuttingpad. I've followed the advice of KB and look what ive got !



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gmblack3 said:
The issue I have found with other companies MF pads, is they dont cut as fast as the Megs MF.
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agreed. the optimum MFs are good but I feel (correct me if I am wrong) that due to the cutting pads being so thick with foam, that the extra cushioning is reducing the cut, compared to the megs which I've seen many use but not myself

the optimum polishing pads actually have alot of power with the dynabrade. because the foam is thinner I'd say.

a cutting pad should be thin not thick. have not tried flexipads microfibre pads but they look the goods. pile height might reduce the cut. wish all had zero foam and just a flat pad like the rayons. them things are bitchin



the megs pads are very flat and with a stiff plate, would have more grunt. just like my makita 6030 super hard thin RO plate on the dynabrade with flexipads rayon - mega strong cut but polishing foam like finish. great on ceramics and no marring at all afterwards on most paints.



Flexipads make brilliant products - the rayon pads and ivory foam kick ***. I speak to their international sales rep all the time. daily sometimes with product feedback and ideas.



As for dusty polishes. they may cut but theres no place today for dry, dusty, pastey thick solvent based polishes in my shop. if you have to mix any polish with another one to reduce the dusting then the formula aint right so why use it
 
Fonzy- Welcome to Autopia! Glad things are going better.



Some sorta-random thoughts follow:



-I never get the same great cutting with SurBuf pads that others do. Probably user-error but I've wasted enough time on that approach.

-The M105/Meguiar's MF cutting pad combo works well for me, but on hard clear the smaller MF cutting pads (I use 3") cut a *LOT* faster than the larger ones.

-I don't get fast/aggressive cutting with larger orange foam pads (3-4" ones are sorta OK). KBM or not (and I've used that approach since forever), they just don't cut hard clear efficiently for me; they'll do it eventually, but why spend hours?
 
Accumulator said:
Fonzy- Welcome to Autopia! Glad things are going better.



Some sorta-random thoughts follow:



-I never get the same great cutting with SurBuf pads that others do. Probably user-error but I've wasted enough time on that approach.

-The M105/Meguiar's MF cutting pad combo works well for me, but on hard clear the smaller MF cutting pads (I use 3") cut a *LOT* faster than the larger ones.

-I don't get fast/aggressive cutting with larger orange foam pads (3-4" ones are sorta OK). KBM or not (and I've used that approach since forever), they just don't cut hard clear efficiently for me; they'll do it eventually, but why spend hours?
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I agree here with the SurBuf pads. I've read many threads about these pads and how incredible they are- I find that I do not feel the same. Again, probably user error for me as well, but I absolutely hate the marring that these pads leave behind. Definitely not recommended for 1-steps, perhaps they work great for quick heavy cut on multi-step applications?. Anyone like to comment on this?



Megs pads work incredible for me, but I find their downfall is the separation of the pad itself. Accum, which 3" pads are you using/recommend? I'm still using KBM and 3" foam pads. I get good results, but not great.
 
johngs4 said:
perhaps [SurBuf pads] work great for quick heavy cut on multi-step applications?. Anyone like to comment on this?
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They don't work well for me period.



Megs pads work incredible for me, but I find their downfall is the separation of the pad itself. Accum, which 3" pads are you using/recommend? I'm still using KBM and 3" foam pads. I get good results, but not great.
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I finally had my first 3" Meguiar's MF Cutting Pad come off its backing...that's after lots of use/abuse.



I use those for serious correction, and then Griot's 3" orange polishing pads (very mild compared to most "orange pads", similar to LC Tangerine).



Typical progression with 3" pads is M105/Meg's MF Cutting, then Uno/GG orange foam, then 1Z High Gloss/GG orange foam.



If I need a really mild 3" pad I use the red GG Waxing pad, but sometime I'll order up some others from Kevin/BuffDaddy.
 
SVR said:
agreed. the optimum MFs are good but I feel (correct me if I am wrong) that due to the cutting pads being so thick with foam, that the extra cushioning is reducing the cut, compared to the megs which I've seen many use but not myself
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I believe the added thickness is so rotary use doesn't overheat the pad. Personally, I think they should offer cutting pads with thinner foam for DA use.
 
agreed scottwax. all systems will get the paint warm to hot but some do it faster than others.

microfibre is the worst for heating the paint up from my experience, even though what I'm using is burnproof. rayon pads cut more and finish virtually as good and they dont fall apart - no foam backing either.
 
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