Does Meg's 105 Finish Buffer Trail Free with Foamed Wool??

Accumulator said:
While I certainly appreciate saving time and effort (especially for you pros!), there seems to be a bit of a trend towards trying to get products to do things they aren't designed to do.



Really aggressive compounds aren't designed to finish out all that well; finishing polishes aren't designed for (real) correction. There's a huge middle ground between the two that can't always be bridged by inventive uses of the two.
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I agree. See my post #26 as to why.
 
So anyway, I've been using 105 (thanks Bee!) and have come to pretty much the same conclusions as most of you guys. It cuts insanely fast and well, the defects it removes quickly are quite startling at first. It is a little finicky, although I think I have the hang of it. I am amazed at how little you need to use. It does finish significantly better than PG or HTEC, which I use a lot of, and it seems to cut as well or better. it can leave some pretty intense holograms, though, but I guess I'd be sort of suspicious if it didn't...



Anyway, I like it. I think 2 stepping it will be tough, I doubt I will even try. It's quite nice with SIP/white and 106/white or grey following it though.
 
Thanks - 151 is on my list of things to buy - I guess it will be available next week from what I've been told. M83 and 80 - why not, I've heard good things about 83 and there are some times when you just have to try something yo-self.
 
So I tried 105 and PFW today. Actually it's in progress. The car is an e46 330i with light swirls but some pretty deep random rids. Man, what a combo this is - I can't believe I waited so long to try it. Like a lot of you I get into a groove and when products are working I don't mess with them (been using htec, sip, 106, 8rd etc all on foam for a long time every day now with no issues); but this combo is going to change my routine for sure. It does leave light to moderate holograms, but they seem to clean up very easily, and the speed it cuts (and ease of use compared to htec) is awesome. Bee must have shed a tear reading this. :)
 
Picus said:
So I tried 105 and PFW today. Actually it's in progress. The car is an e46 330i with light swirls but some pretty deep random rids. Man, what a combo this is - I can't believe I waited so long to try it. Like a lot of you I get into a groove and when products are working I don't mess with them (been using htec, sip, 106, 8rd etc all on foam for a long time every day now with no issues); but this combo is going to change my routine for sure. It does leave light to moderate holograms, but they seem to clean up very easily, and the speed it cuts (and ease of use compared to htec) is awesome. Bee must have shed a tear reading this. :)
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I shed *something* while reading this. ;)



Glad to hear it's working for ya, Picus. Hopefully the Canadian Meguiars dealers will be able to start carrying the new stuff soon for ya.
 
Greg Nichols said:
How many of you have tried 105 or 95 using green or white foam?
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I have used 105 on a white LC pad to remove 2000 grit sanding marks before (pick up product at 1000, and then jump immediately to 1500), and it left the finish perfect...although I did follow that up with a finishing polish anyways.
 
I've used 105 on a white Buff-n-Shine foam polishing pad with my Flex on a red Audi A4. It worked well; it took care of some fairly heavy swirls and left a pretty clean finish (not quite LSP ready, but pretty darn good for a dark-colored car, I thought). I followed with Sonus SwirlBuster, EZCG, and Werkstatt - looked good.



Tort
 
I've used 105 with white LC foam. On that particular car, it left about the same finish as the PFW did. Haven't tried the 95 with anything other than PFW yet.
 
I finished that car today with 1Z high gloss polish - kind of an experimental day. It came out really well, hologram free after some pretty good cutting with 105/pfw. Me likey. :)
 
Good to hear, Picus. :)



I've been messing around with that 1Z High Gloss polish, too. Good stuff. Better than what I first thought of it, for sure.
 
[Noting the thread is veering off-topic :o ]



Yeah, the 1Z HG, followed by their Wax Polish Soft, left my Denali XL looking quite a bit better than the 106FF used on it previously. I'd blamed the 476S LSP for muting the flake, but now I'm starting to think the 106FF might've somehow been to blame :think: After my work with the 1Z twins the 476S looks quite nice on it. Of course comparing the work of two different detailers, using two different product lines and approaches (for the prep) leaves a whole lotta variables up in the air...
 
Ya, tough to say. The 1Z does have something in it that enhances the paints gloss, whether it's paraffin or something else. I did notice today it doesn't like humidity at all.
 
Picus said:
Ya, tough to say. The 1Z does have something in it that enhances the paints gloss, whether it's paraffin or something else..
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Well, I know my WPS penultimate-step product has stuff in it, but I didn't notice any gloss drop-off with the High Gloss when I did a CleanSolve wipe. With the HG, the solvent just cleared up some oiliness from what I assumed was too much product.



Their old version of Pro MP left synthetic waxes behind sorta like the WPS, and while I initially had my misgivings about that, I found that there wasn't any real downside for me. No unpleasant surprises later, and it sure beat Menzerna FP in a side-by-side. I'm sorta over being a purist about this stuff; if the vehicle looks better then I'm happy. Now if I had some nasty surprises appear down the road that'd be something else! I suspect I get things good enough with my preceding steps that that's unlikely.



Interesting about the humidity, glad my shop's dehumidifier is working OK :D
 
Ya I understand what you're saying. I just sort of agree with the idea that perfectly flat paint looks how it looks, and to get more you need to add something. I really have no idea with HG. I used it again today with good results on some very soft Porsche paint; did a fakeprepsol wipe too, and didn't notice anything re-appearing like I something do with 106. I think I still do prefer 106 when it's hot out though. Good to have a dehumidifier I guess. :)
 
Picus- Yeah...this points out how different people, working in different conditions, are gonna have different preferences (106FF/1Z HG, M105/M95/1Z, etc.) and for different reasons.



Glad to hear the 1Z HG worked well on soft paint, that's something I'd wondered about.
 
Barry Theal said:
Wow how things change! Now people finish down on m105:grinno:
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Well, *SOME* people finish down with it :chuckle:



We'll see if it works for me...some day...probably not too soon :nana:
 
People finish with 105 via a rotary? I can see it via a PC, in certain conditions..but via a rotary...well, nothing is impossible I guess.
 
David Fermani said:
I did a black C6 Vette today and used Meg's 105 with a purple foamed wool pad. After this step, I power washed it (major dust), and I couldn't help to notice major buffer trails/wheelmarks/holograms throughout the finish. Does anyone get a swirl free finish after the 105/PFW combo on dark colors?
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The answer is: Type / Characteristic of the clearcoat.

Different clearcoats respond differently to different compounds.



Eg:

If you use 105+wool on the super-soft Porsche clearcoat, you'll need many subsequent steps down the road to genuinely remove buffer swirls and refine the finish.

Takes more time.



If you use 105+wool on a super hard Audi or Bentley clearcoat, you can easily go from 105 to Menz85. It'll look great. On certain colours on hard cc, incredibly, you can even 2 step the 105...(1. Wool 2. Polishing pad) and still get great results. See pic below.It all depends on your familiarity with that specific clearcoat, and the proper "tactics to skin that cat" :bounce



This black Toyota MPV had a harder-than-average paint, and just for the sake of having some fun:

105+4ply wool rotary

105+orange pad rotary

105+LC White pad Flex VRG DA.

Sounds a bit ridiculous, isn;t it?



Washed with undiluted MPC to remove most compound oils, followed by undiluted alcohol + Prepsol wipedown. No holos, no swirls under sunlight, metal halide (4 x high-bay) and incandescent light.



Polish: Mirka UF polish (that also contains wax) by PC+Black Pad

Tommorow, Swissvax Onyx will be applied.



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