Does a sealant really offer any paint protection for a car always outside?

Manix

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For a vehicle tha`ts always outside or even one that`s sheltered but driven alot I really question the benefits of a sealant coat and think they are best reserved for garage cars that barley see any roads. Paint is so delicate & stock cars don`t have a thick custom paint job.


From my experience so far with my ride always sitting in my drive way and driven say once a week or fortnight under no trees, a product like fk1000p looks to last only 2-3months. Even by 2months the beading of water & slick feel reduced alot.


For me applying a wax/sealant requires a huge amount of extra work for what looks like very tiny results. I would say it`s not worth it unless you have a shelter for the following:


For outside: The time required for a full wash, dry, & wax, cleanup can be 2-4hours working like a dog & that can be very hard to find the time especially in non summer months with rain, in my area there simply isn`t time & when doing this every 3months it`s pretty taxing. With a garage I could just work on it at random times throughout the day even late at night.


Usually there is fine debris floating around from nearby trees in wind that lands on panels given the time past waiting for car to dry. This along with the microfibre towls getting worn in I suspect over time what I`m really doing is adding fine swirl to paint despite being as clean as I can. There is no way to know when the microfibre waffle towls should be replaced or if they are really soft enough. You have to really take your time to make sure the towl is held right & also avoid getting product all over molds & in tight gaps ect.


Finally before I started using a sealant, I had my ride for two years washing once a week, & all the damage I got on paint was from falling twigs chipping the paint, birds landing on car & small chips & fine cracks that appeared over time maybe from heat & cold? Or chips if I went for a drive at moderately high speeds.


That was before I gave the paint a mild cut with m105 & polish with m205. Back then bird poop would really stick in summer but I could always rubb it off.


I`m trialing fk100p again with 3 coats to see if it will last longer, but i think at the most I might just use it only once every 6months regardless.


What do you think?
 
There must be a thousand sealants available so why not try a different one? There are also hybrids like Collinite 845 that are known for their durability.
 
So are you saying to just leave the paint naked? I`m not sure if your expectations are realistic. A sealant or wax isn`t going to protect your paint from much more than sun and liquid contaminants. A coating is unlikely to do much more, what you are expecting is the protection of a wrap.

I get similar results from FK1000P, about two months is all I like to go. That said, your washes sound really long, I can wash an average sedan (including wheels and wheel wells), dress the tires, do a quick vacuum and wax in about 50-60 minutes. The actual waxing itself takes 10-20 minutes depending if I`m going by hand or machine. Even if we are on the high side, 8 applications over two years is what, less than 3 hours? That`s less time then if you do a coating once every two years. The other option is using OCW once a month, I find that it provides good protection if re-applied frequently, and really, you can use it as a drying aid at every wash.

I`m with you though, I`d love to find something that does what a coating SAYS it will do and applies just as easy as something like Optiseal. We`re probably a decade or two away before that actually happens.
 
Manix- IMO the FK1000P (which I still consider the best choice among conventional LSPs for your situation) is at least providing some protection you wouldn`t otherwise have...even if it needs redone every couple of months. Eh, I can`t help but think "you need a garage" but if you don`t have one then that`s that.

If I were in your shoes, I`d see if using something like IUDJ (mentioning that one because it works so well for me, especially on FK1000P) as a Drying Aid makes any difference. But there I go again, spending *your* resources for ya.. "Gee, you oughta buy IUDJ and add work to your drying process!" :o

IF you just don`t find the whole thing worth the hassle, then OK..it`s your call. I mean, seriously...who cares if someone else`s car`s cosmetics aren`t all that great; some people care about such stuff and other people don`t (I`m assuming that rust-out isn`t an issue for you). And if you replace your vehicles every few years, well...OK, "disposable cars" works fine for lots of people, including most of the folks I know IRL. I`ve done that myself and ya know what? Those vehicles were among the best automotive ownership experiences I`ve ever had; I just drove the wheels off `em while attending to other stuff that was far more important and then traded them in. And no, they didn`t get flamed for not being in Autopian condition, quite the opposite to my great surprise, it`s like all my friends who lease- they abuse the [crap] out of those cars, utterly trash them, yet are *never* penalized for it because nobody cares.

Eh, guess it`s more of my Autopian Heresy, but IMO..*as long as such neglect doesn`t compromise the vehicle`s ability to safely do its job*...this stuff only matters as much as each individual thinks it does. Everybody oughta decide for himself what`s important enough to justify the expenditure of resources and what`s NOT.
 
I`ve done that myself and ya know what? Those vehicles were among the best automotive ownership experiences I`ve ever had; I just drove the wheels off `em while attending to other stuff that was far more important and then traded them in.

Man, I loved having daily drivers I didn`t think twice about setting stuff on `em. Looked at them like tools, keep `em functional and that`s about it.

*sigh*
 
BudgetPlan1- Heh heh, well...I can`t say I`ve ever set anything on any vehicle...can`t recall ever doing it in this lifetime even as a child. But yeah..the whole "it`s just an appliance" perspective might run counter to Autopianism, but unless it`s something with some unusual sentimental/artistic/etc. value....I`ll repeat my Beware the Curse of Autopia! warning ;)



Manix- Here`s a Q for *you* :D

Do you genuinely appreciate the difference when your car`s nicely detailed? Like...if there were no functional/preservative/etc. reason to do it, would that Detail have value for you anyway? If it`s just not worth it *to you* then it`s just not worth it and there`s nothing wrong with that.

It`s no big secret around here that I don`t really enjoy detailing. Just like I don`t enjoy many of the chores that consume my resources. But I do value the end-result enough to justify doing it, just as with those other chores. Somebody else with different values would run the cost:benefit analysis and come to a different conclusion. It`s purely subjective in the proper sense.
 
So are you saying to just leave the paint naked? I`m not sure if your expectations are realistic. A sealant or wax isn`t going to protect your paint from much more than sun and liquid contaminants. A coating is unlikely to do much more, what you are expecting is the protection of a wrap.

I get similar results from FK1000P, about two months is all I like to go. That said, your washes sound really long, I can wash an average sedan (including wheels and wheel wells), dress the tires, do a quick vacuum and wax in about 50-60 minutes. The actual waxing itself takes 10-20 minutes depending if I`m going by hand or machine. Even if we are on the high side, 8 applications over two years is what, less than 3 hours? That`s less time then if you do a coating once every two years. The other option is using OCW once a month, I find that it provides good protection if re-applied frequently, and really, you can use it as a drying aid at every wash.

I`m with you though, I`d love to find something that does what a coating SAYS it will do and applies just as easy as something like Optiseal. We`re probably a decade or two away before that actually happens.


If my car is very clean say after rain it takes me about 1hour 20mins to fully wash, dry with MF towls & wax coat. And my car is large & time is needed to prevent adding damage. Take into consideration half of the year is cold, wet & small light hours combined with busy weekly activities it is actually very hard to find the time to wax outside.

If however my ride has been sitting outside for 2weeks & sometimes 1 week, it can take alot longer due to all the extra cleaning in gaps, door jams where leaves & dirt build up.
 
Manix- Here`s a Q for *you* :D

Do you genuinely appreciate the difference when your car`s nicely detailed? Like...if there were no functional/preservative/etc. reason to do it, would that Detail have value for you anyway? If it`s just not worth it *to you* then it`s just not worth it and there`s nothing wrong with that.
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I do, but if there was no outside paint damage gathering over time just by sitting there or from drives (chips), I wouldn`t mind doing this chore all the time. So really I think without a garage or shelter I might have to drop this chore & just wash it & keep interior clean. That`s life! Paint is gonna damage.
Not sure if that answers your Q?

cheers
 
If my car is very clean say after rain it takes me about 1hour 20mins to fully wash, dry with MF towls & wax coat. And my car is large & time is needed to prevent adding damage. Take into consideration half of the year is cold, wet & small light hours combined with busy weekly activities it is actually very hard to find the time to wax outside.

If however my ride has been sitting outside for 2weeks & sometimes 1 week, it can take alot longer due to all the extra cleaning in gaps, door jams where leaves & dirt build up.

Got it, yeah, if you let things slide, the times definitely go up!
 
Manix- Actually, yeah...I think you *did* answer my Q pretty well!

While hopefully looking forward to the day when you have a garage/carport/etc., IMO you should do whatever seems right to you. I`d think that doing a quickie job with an AIO + FK1000P every now and then would be of benefit, but keeping the leaves/etc. out of areas where they could build up/retain moisture/lead to corrosion or other issues is a lot more important.

I don`t get the paint chipping thing as our vehicles have six-digit mileage, do extensive roadtrips year-round, and simply don`t exhibit much of that. But if it happens to you then it happens to you and fortunately, IME, while paintchips might get surface rust when down to the metal, they seldom (never, in my case) lead to anything truly serious.

Honestly...if in your situation I`d probably consider it a "disposable car" and just trade when you think it`s time. That`s what I`ve done when the situation called for it.

Heh heh, I do have to say that for *me*, an hour/hour-and-half isn`t even the start of a quick maintenance wash! This stuff takes me forever but then our vehicles have to last indefinitely as we`re not planning to ever replace them. Different people do different things to deal with different situations. Do what`s right for *you*.
 
[...] I`m with you though, I`d love to find something that does what a coating SAYS it will do and applies just as easy as something like Optiseal. We`re probably a decade or two away before that actually happens.

I agree and I`d like to see AIO technology continue to progress too. If you don`t have the time or correct environment to do near perfect prep and polish work, a AIO may give you better returns.
 
I agree and I`d like to see AIO technology continue to progress too. If you don`t have the time or correct environment to do near perfect prep and polish work, a AIO may give you better returns.

Yeah, for sure, AIOs are really a good bang for the buck as far as time goes, and there hasn`t been much progress out there in a long time. I still haven`t found anything that outlasts ZAIO and DG501. A quick clay and either of those and people think you are a magician.
 
Dan- Agree completely! The AIO + topper is kinda the modern equivalent of cleaner-wax + straight wax, which plenty of guys have done fine with since forever. Not necessarily Autopian, but OK nonetheless.
 
Yeah, for sure, AIOs are really a good bang for the buck as far as time goes, and there hasn`t been much progress out there in a long time. I still haven`t found anything that outlasts ZAIO and DG501. A quick clay and either of those and people think you are a magician.

Dan--are DG501 and ZAIO really true AIO`s since it`s my understanding they don`t include abrasives like HD Speed or McKees 360 as examples? So wouldn`t 501 and ZAIO be considered cleaner waxes?
 
Dan--are DG501 and ZAIO really true AIO`s since it`s my understanding they don`t include abrasives like HD Speed or McKees 360 as examples? So wouldn`t 501 and ZAIO be considered cleaner waxes?

Not sure what`s in them, but with a regular polishing pad, they have no trouble clearing up minor hazing for me, even on harder paints. Is it the pad, is it the product...<shrug>. I haven`t tried McKees 360, but HD Speed certainly doesn`t have a ton of cut either. I used to love M66, but that lasts a couple of showers and then its done for.
 
Dan--are DG501 and ZAIO really true AIO`s since it`s my understanding they don`t include abrasives like HD Speed or McKees 360 as examples? So wouldn`t 501 and ZAIO be considered cleaner waxes?

I`ll jump in here regarding the ZAIO. It *does* contain mild abrasives, but they`re kinda, uhm...funny...in that although they`re too mild to do any kind of correction on any of my paints, when I use ZAIO on exterior plastics (the same ones I use Finishing Polishes and other AIOs on with zero problems) it micro-mars them something awful! Like, I have to get out a genuine Polish and correct what the ZAIO did! Really surprised me, heh heh I kept trying it on other plastics because I thought it was so anomalous, but eh...messed `em all up every time (at least compared to my other choices for such plastics).

IMO the whole "cleaner-wax"/"AIO"/etc. terminology ends up being, uhm...subjective in that those words can basically mean whatever we want `em to. Some actual Cleaner-Waxes do/did contain what I consider "regular abrasives" and to me the only real diff between Cleaner-Waxes and AIOs is that the latter have synthetic LSP stuff while *I* think of Cleaner-Waxes as having (carnauba-type) waxes instead. And note that the makers use such terms however they want anyhow, with zero consistency nor, sometimes, apparent rhyme or reason.

Dan- Wonder why ZAIO doesn`t clear up anything for me?!? Not like *all* my paints are hard, though none of `em are Stupid Soft either.
 
I wonder if there isn`t some batch variation going on? For me it really perks up hard German paints and works even better on softer paint. Could be pads too, I get better luck with megs yellow than lake white.
 
Huh...maybe I did somehow get an odd batch; if not for some pigment transfer if I use it on single stage or basecoat, and the way it marred up my plastics, I woulda said that the ZAIO is one of those "functionally non-abrasive" ones where it might contain "abrasives" but rather than being enough to actually *abrade* anything they just make it easier to buff the stuff off once it`s dried.

Anyhoo...I really do like it as a prep for FK1000P, so much so that I plan to always have some on the shelf. But then I plan to always have Klasse`s AIO around too..
 
I can say that the Zaino line wasn`t designed for single stage paint. They did have a particular product just for single stage years ago but I`m not sure if it`s still made. I also wouldn`t use ZAIO on bare plastics. I`d try their tire dressing instead.
 
wannafbody- Hey, great to see you posting here!

I simply love their (old version of) Z16 for tires, saving up my last bottles of it for the good cars. BUT I`d never use any kind of dressing on exterior plastics. Not ever..just prefer the LSP-based approach every time. Sometimes the Klasse Twins, sometimes KAIO topped with FK1000P or some other straight wax (Souveran is nice), maybe Ultima`s UTTG+, or even just a spray wax. But it`s always some kind of LSP or Trim Sealant these days.

Only Slime product I use for anything but tires is Autoglym Bumper Care on the Tahoe`s side-steps/running boards, put it on both the aluminum parts and the plastic steps. I don`t even like doing that but it`s the only thing that makes/keeps the utterly compromised surfaces looking nice. At least it`s rain-proof, dries "clean and dry", and lasts until the next wash (which might be a long, long time).

Kinda funny how many surfaces I`m using that Ultima TTG+ on...never used it on tires though.
 
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