Do you find ONR completely Mar Free

100% marfree i think is nearly impossible. you've just got to work on limiting the maring and i think onr does on good job on my black car. and trust me it would show if it didn't!
 
I have been adding a capful of Z7 to my ONR. So far in using ONR or CG ONE I have not noticed marring. I use The VROOM grey MF to wash and dry. I find them softer and a little more plush than the VROOM orange.
 
weekendwarrior said:
Has anyone done a test using ONR and QEW on the same car, using the same type media to see which releases better? The reason I ask is that I use QEW (I can buy it locally, and I like to support local merchants when I can), with a Eurow mit, and 2 bucket method. I have done so for 4 months now. The grime releases from my mit very well...I have stated before on other threads that my mit is typically so clean after washing a car, that I can use it for 1-2 more washes before I have to clean it. The other weekend, a buddy was watching me use QEW, and he was amazed how dirty the mit would be, and then how clean it looked after wringing it out in the rinse bucket.
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The grime seems to release a bit better with QEW, but ONR cleans just as well and as safely and leaves the paint slicker and with a somewhat better gloss. It could be the slickness and gloss enhancers that aren't allowing the grime to be released as effectively. I have found that it makes no difference in how well or mar free washing is with ONR.



I get the best results using MF covered foam wash pads and they seem to stay cleaner too.
 
Well, I like the GS and all, but with the last few ONR's I did - I just used a MF towel and kept rinsing it out between panals in the ONR wash bucket. I have a new Honda and they're not known as having a hard clear coat and so far, the only marring I have is from the cats in the garage, and they have stopped sitting on the car after I had a word with a few that favored my hood as a bed.



Hey Knuckle, ever use latex gloves when you ONR? I'm thinking about it - after yesterday, my hands looked like I had rebuilt a transmission.
 
KnuckleBuckett said:
At the risk of exciting my good man Junebug, go for the win with a grout sponge!



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I have not used ONR.



I am speaking from my experience with grout sponges and a typical water based car wash. I still use a MF mitt for complex places like the grille but the GS has become my main washing media.



Just wanted to clear this up.



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See above post...
 
So, no on the ONR.



I have used nitrile gloves for various things for years and years. You really sweat under the things and you have to be careful to take timeouts, dry your hands and use a decent moisturizer or you will destroy your skin. Never reuse them.
 
Absolutely no marring whatsoever with ONR. I've washed my car with ONR (2007 BMW 335) at least 5 times, and the paint looks perfect under halogens. I've even went as far as saying that my paint looks much better and slicker than with a conventional wash.



I use the GS on my paint and a regular sponge on wheels and tailpipe. THe GS releases dirt great. As for gloves, I wear regular yellow dishwashing rubber gloves. Helps to keep my hands warm in cold temps.
 
I've done some stupid things back in the day, like using acetone or lacquar thinner to clean my hands, it's a wonder I still have skin left. I'm thinking about gloves - guess I'll swipe some next time I have to visit the doc!
 
I think most marring occurs during the wipedown. You will get some MM-you aren't rinsing the dirt off but wiping it off. You might not see it on lighter colors.
 
wannafbody said:
I think most marring occurs during the wipedown. You will get some MM-you aren't rinsing the dirt off but wiping it off. You might not see it on lighter colors.
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Have you actually used ONR or QEW? 40% of the vehicles I regularly clean are black. No marring that I can see. No drying streaks like I would get with a conventional wash either.
 
I agree with Scottwax here. I have detailed car from the northeast with salt/salt etc in sub zero to the heat of Texass. ONR does not mar at all here. The biggest issue I have is the crappy water (hard) in Texass.
 
Scottwax said:
Have you actually used ONR or QEW? 40% of the vehicles I regularly clean are black. No marring that I can see. No drying streaks like I would get with a conventional wash either.
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Yep, I've used QEW on NBM and you can get some MM. I used one MF which I was cleaning in the QEW solution for the intial wipedown and then using a QD with another towel as a follow up. Granted there is something weird about this paint that I'm able to see MM from simply wiping off polish or haze. We also have very hard water and that might play a role as well.
 
NOTE/DISCLAIMER: There are things that others can do that I can't do. (And, FWIW, vice-versa ;) ) I'm not questioning the results that others report or criticizing anybody. I've held off on posting anything on this topic for a while now and I sure don't want the following to be taken the wrong way. I'm glad that so many QEW/ONR users are getting great results.



I've been experimenting with both QEW and ONR. On vehicles that are actually *dirty* (as opposed to ones that others would just QD), I sometimes get very light micromarrng when I wash with these products. I'm being as careful/gentle as I can imagine anybody being. The marring is *VERY* light...not visible in sunlight, not visible under halogens unless I *REALLY* work at spotting it (a lot of time inspecting a given panel), but pretty obvious under my incandescent lights in a dark shop.



I'll allow that I don't have too much experience with this method of washing (and I probably never will, as I simply won't risk marring my good vehicles and the Blazer is soon-to-be-sold). And I'll also grant that marring so light that most people could *never* see it isn't the end of the world.



But as I don't mind doing my admittedly time consuming, PIA wash technique, which does *not* result in any marring, I'm gonna stick with what works for me. But when a vehicle is *almost* clean...well, then *you bet* I'm gonna ONR it instead of doing a full my-style wash. And it's great for mid-detail cleanups (thanks to Totoland Mach for that idea).



The above is leaving out the way I need to do extensive flushing/etc. to clean certain areas of most of our vehicles. I simply can't do a *full* wash without a hose and my compressor-powered siphon-feed sprayer. And I generally do that "full wash" every time I wash anything.



Horses for courses, to each their own, YMMV, and sentiments to that effect. I'm glad I tried QEW/ONR and they have a place in my shop. And I sure don't intend the above as any sort of slam at the people who use these products; I'll even recommend these products to people in certain situations. But for *my* regular washes I'm gonna stick with what works for me. Hey, it took me decades to figure *that* out :o
 
Accumulator said:
The above is leaving out the way I need to do extensive flushing/etc. to clean certain areas of most of our vehicles. I simply can't do a *full* wash without a hose and my compressor-powered siphon-feed sprayer. And I generally do that "full wash" every time I wash anything.
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Could you expand on the use of the compressor-powered siphon-feed sprayer? TIA
 
RobD said:
Could you expand on the use of the compressor-powered siphon-feed sprayer? TIA
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It's like a low-powered pressure washer. It's a nozzle that hooks up to the air line and has a siphon-feed hose that I drop into a bucket of wash solution. I spray the thus pressurized solution for pre-washing and for flushing out areas that I can't reach with wash media (e.g. behind snug-fitting license plates).



The one I have is a "Vacula", got it many years ago..dunno if they still sell them.
 
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