Diluted Simple Green On Wheels

[Spilchy]

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pro's think enthusiast dont know their stuff.

The feeling is mutual. How many enthusiasts here who detail to make some extra cash have corrected "details" done by a professional, body shop or dealership?

Professional does not equal expert. Professional does not mean knowledgeable. I, as well as most of you, have seen professionals do crap workmanship when it comes to all sorts of things like carpentry, painting, dry wall, etc...

 

[joyriide1113]

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and something else i feel i should add to the thread.

if one is looking at cost because shelling out 24 bucks for a quality cleaner, then again the approach should always be to seal the wheels and use water based dressings.

u wouldnt even have to use extra car wash product, one could always just use the remainder of the soap that was left formt he wash and use a seperate mitt, ect to clean.


when wheels are sealed, u barely even need soap, just a good pressure rinsing and wiping down with a terry towel.

 

[97F1504x4]

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Man I use SG to clean and wash down the dog run. I would never even consdier using it on my truck or any of my cars.

Richard

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

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cutting corners isnt detailing.

:hail

The literal definition that says it all, right there. The whole idea of "detailing" is to pay attention to every little thing; cutting corners certainly doesn't fit that.

 

[SA Detailer]

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SA, I've used SG in the past and on some surfaces, clear coated rims it WILL haze the finish...if you've not seen this then I think your telling less than the truth.....most here are not concerned with either how fast it can be done, or the cost in most cases....Its about what is the best process and safest for their car.

Have you seen it in the pics I showed of my Benz and the other vehicles. Sorry that they are big but they show great detail. I'm backing everything I say with pictures of proof, you all, nothing but words. Remember, I don't use it full strength but 4 parts water, 1 part SG.

 

[Jngrbrdman]

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What is the point of using a modified wrench to pound nails though? Why not just use the right product for the job and save the risk? I guess if you don't feel it is risky, then that is your decision. Diluted Simple Green isn't the only way to get wheels that clean though.

Eagle One A2Z:

You can't tell me that diluted Simple Green would have gotten these wheels looking any better. I also don't think that everybody needs to provide pictures of their super clean wheels to prove to you that their process works too. Hell, soap and water will work with enough scrubbing. Wheels aren't that tough to clean and you can do it with just about anything.

 

[Sherman8r44]

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Why is everyone ragging on SA? I always dunk my customer's Bentleys into gigantic bubbling vats of straight SG.

 

[CharlesW]

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Why is everyone ragging on SA? I always dump my customer's Bentleys in gigantic bubbling vats of straight SG.

So that's what happened to my Bentley.
You and your SG. Darn thing looks like a Pontiac now.

Charles

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

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Have you seen it in the pics I showed of my Benz and the other vehicles. Sorry that they are big but they show great detail. I'm backing everything I say with pictures of proof, you all, nothing but words. Remember, I don't use it full strength but 4 parts water, 1 part SG.

Yeah, you're proving that you're lucky, and ignorant to the risks that you're taking. The reason the rest of us don't have pictures to "back everything we say" about Simple Green being bad, is because most if not all of us learned this very early on, and we're not going to hack something up just so we can take pictures to prove to you that you're going to mess up your customers' vehicles.

I think the whole point here is that your brand of "professional detailing" is very dangerous, and is very bad advice especially when placed in the hands of someone who doesn't have much experience to know any better. Most of us who have been around this hobby/industry for a while know an overly harsh chemical when we see one, and know the kind of nasty things that can result from the use of such chemicals. Even cut 4:1, you CAN and eventually WILL cause damage. You should be choosing your products based on their purpose, not on their price or the speed at which you can remove everything (eventually to include the paint) from the vehicle on which you're working.

 

[Beemerboy]

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These where cleaned with a toilet brush and S&R diluted 50/50 with a before pics just as a reference...I could have done about the same with soap & water had I wanted to spend more time

look as clean as any rim pictured here...SA

 

[SA Detailer]

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I LOVE detailing newer engine bays !!! SG + pressure wash and dress with a water based dressing.

I agree Clean Dean. I think it is technique of a professional detailer. If I took 30 min. to engine detail, I'd be loosing money.

This was posted just a few days ago in Detailing Showcase(Black Bentley), the concentration is higher but no one said anything.

Wheels:
Wash with Megs gold class at much higher concentration
simple green cut 3:1
No-touch tire dressing. The wheels took forever (DEEP rims)

Clean all trim and door jambs with simple green

Which APC is it? I use Simple Green and/or Purple Power for just about everything under the car. Usually dilute 3 parts water, 1 part APC.

thanks..where can i get that Simple Green Aero ????

Aero is still same formula but diluted.

I did a search for Simple Green here are just a few of many that use SG and posts of praises proceeded on their work but no objections.

 

[joyriide1113]

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Yes, but in their use it was a one time use aimed at heavy grime. You recommend using it everywash as a dedicated wheel cleaner. Thats where our objections come from. The long term result. Not that of a 2-3 time a year detail. Even then I wouldn't use it on painted surfaces. I would grab something safer.

 

[Mr. Clean]

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Information/Misinformation/or just plain ol' opinions...


Adding one more opinion...

...if an All-Purpose cleaner were able to be safely used on everything, why would so many companies be marketing specific cleaners formulated…

Why? It is called marketing. There are any number of products that have more than one use. The more products a company can put on the shelves (including virtual), the greater the opportunity for the consumer to select at least one of your products and maybe more.

... Therefore after thorough testing, companies determine the safest possible chemicals for use on wheels, engine parts, etc.

Way too optimistic. Sometimes the “safest” product isn’t marketed because (for just one example) to be totally effective, too much consumer interaction (ie. elbow grease) is required. The company’s marketing group decides that might be a turn off so a more aggressive product is the one that hits the shelves.

The feeling is mutual. How many enthusiasts here who detail to make some extra cash have corrected "details" done by a professional, body shop or dealership?

Professional does not equal expert. Professional does not mean knowledgeable. I, as well as most of you, have seen professionals do crap workmanship when it comes to all sorts of things like carpentry, painting, dry wall, etc...

Likewise, how many times do professionals (pick your profession) get the call to correct the work of an enthusiast/hobbyist/DIYer? It cuts both ways.

... Diluted Simple Green isn't the only way to get wheels that clean though.

Eagle One A2Z:

All of this talk about safe and not safe is nothing more than opinion. And IMO EO's A2Z is not safe as a frequent long term solution. I don't want it on my wheels at all.

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...soap and water will work with enough scrubbing. Wheels aren't that tough to clean and you can do it with just about anything.

Yup, soap (sometimes strength and a half or double) and water and a couple of different brushes works wonders.

 

[joyriide1113]

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Simple Grean aero is NOT the same formula! look at the MSDS sheet. different chemicals.

When I received a sample of SimpleGreen Aero, I spoke with the representative who sent me the sample. He proceeded to tell me how this is a more automobile, airplane, boat friendly APC.

And also mentioned how the use of Original SimpleGreen is banned to use on Planes.

You can search that.

 

[97F1504x4]

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Do you guys realize how many cars and trucks my buddies shop see's that come from detailers who have pressure washed engine bays. Holy smokes it is one of the worst things that can be done in my opinion. Especially on the Ford cars and trucks or any vehicle that uses COP(Coil On Plug ) type ignition systems.
Scrubbing bubbles and a light trickle of water work great followed by a compete drying and wipe down. Now i do not detail for a business but simply take pride in how my truck and cars look. I myself wipe down the engine bay at eveyr washing whihc then makes it not needed for heavy washing.

Here is a link to my truck if anyone is interested in seeing it.
http://fordtruckworld.tenmagazines.com/mygallery.asp?id=9291

Richard

 

[joyriide1113]

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Do you guys realize how many cars and trucks my buddies shop see's that come from detailers who have pressure washed engine bays. Holy smokes it is one of the worst things that can be done in my opinion. Especially on the Ford cars and trucks or any vehicle that uses COP(Coil On Plug ) type ignition systems.
Scrubbing bubbles and a light trickle of water work great followed by a compete drying and wipe down. Now i do not detail for a business but simply take pride in how my truck and cars look. I myself wipe down the engine bay at eveyr washing whihc then makes it not needed for heavy washing.

Here is a link to my truck if anyone is interested in seeing it.
http://fordtruckworld.tenmagazines.com/mygallery.asp?id=9291

Richard

 

[97F1504x4]

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Water gets down into the spark plug holes in between the COP boots and causes misfires and rough running engines. It also shorts out the COP whihc are about 100.00 each so it costs the customers money to repair the vehicle.
Like i said I am not a pro detailer but i would never pressure wash and engine bay.

Richard

 

[joyriide1113]

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Yea, I get what you're trying to say. But I have no clue as to what it's doing here.

I'm not trying to being rude, but I was following the topic of wheel cleaners.

Maybe I'm just having a brain fart!

 

[tubafeak]

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I read in the Simple Green aero info sheet (distributed by Simple Green themselves) that the Air Force has banned the use of original formula SG within a certain distance of any plane (300 yards or so). There has to be a reason for this, the military wouldn't specifically ban one seemingly harmless substance within a certain distance of their planes, there would have to be a reason. Now, what are airplanes made out of mostly? Hmm... that would be aluminum. The regular formula is harmful enough to Al to be restricted in most aeronautic places. The aero formula is a different mix of chemicals designed to NOT damage aluminum. If there wasn't a problem beforehand why would the SG chemists fix the problem?

 

[joyriide1113]

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And we're only speaking of the wheels. Do you imagine the damage to brake pads and rotors? possibly HOT rotors, brake lines, ect, that may not have been rinsed?