imported_RaskyR1
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Couldn't find a good Corona pic with the beach, beer, and girl...at least not NWS anyway.
Detailing Forums - I'm cranky today...
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Couldn't find a good Corona pic with the beach, beer, and girl...at least not NWS anyway.
imported_Jokeman
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I hate the beach! Sand and salt water....blah. You can find me up in the mountains floating on the lake in my party barge!
Harleyguy
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I didn't want to quote the whole thread so i just copied and pasted it from Napper's post #53.I kinda like AG, since Mike arrived, although I missed the couple of threads that others mentioned and having post's deleted or modified (Kevin/Dana, who's Dana? ).....There are a couple with attitudes but, hey every forum has them. They only talk about things they sell and that's part of their rules. I respect that. I don't sense that the stuff they sell is only the best, it's just what they sell. But, I haven't been very long either....I like it though. I have seen that they don't like to discuss what they don't sell and they will kindly remind folks......Heck MOL has done some bad deleting of posts which ticked me off, but they pay the bill for the internet and it's not my business, same with AG, they pay the bill. They sell Meguiar's stuff and have my interests peaked on other product lines but that's about it.
The part i'm referring to is Who's Dana .For the few who don't know who dana is and i'm surprised there are some that haven't seen that name LOL.Dana is also known as ASPHALT ROCKET is also one of the top guns on this site and every other one you listed.Yes his name is all over the place and some people join his cause or have things to say about him because they don't know any better.If he see's something wrong he is going to speak his mind if it hurts someones feelings or not.Look at his post rates his been on these forums for a very long time and he is the real deal.He may not do 10 page how too's but you count on him if you ever need some help he goes well beyond the normal guy.Angelo ,Todd,Eric ,And yes Kevin all known him. Introduce yourself to him Nappers and you may find another deep well of knowlage .I wonder how much this post sounds like i'm kissing some A####
The part i'm referring to is Who's Dana .For the few who don't know who dana is and i'm surprised there are some that haven't seen that name LOL.Dana is also known as ASPHALT ROCKET is also one of the top guns on this site and every other one you listed.Yes his name is all over the place and some people join his cause or have things to say about him because they don't know any better.If he see's something wrong he is going to speak his mind if it hurts someones feelings or not.Look at his post rates his been on these forums for a very long time and he is the real deal.He may not do 10 page how too's but you count on him if you ever need some help he goes well beyond the normal guy.Angelo ,Todd,Eric ,And yes Kevin all known him. Introduce yourself to him Nappers and you may find another deep well of knowlage .I wonder how much this post sounds like i'm kissing some A####
imported_User Name
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I hate the beach! Sand and salt water....blah. You can find me up in the mountains floating on the lake in my party barge!
Only sand I like, is the one I try to avoid on the golf course and if I'm near water, it better be in a nice bass boat fishing for some pigs tucked away under some lilly pads!!!
imported_Nappers
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I am here to learn, I only post what I know or what I experienced......I've seen him in battle
Nothing wrong with correcting. I would rather learn the right way than fight it.....Long as the poster is correct :thumbup:I'm 15 year line staff Deputy in a jail, Coproral and a Training Deputy, I don't mind telling someone the correct way to do things and don't mind hearing when I don't do it correctly. We have a lot of agencies we provide information for and if it's not correct, it's not fun to correct.....
There are some great detailers out there and you guys know who you are and you guys are truly artists. Me....I'm still learning and take my time and having fun.
imported_BretFraz
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I've been debating with myself whether to join this discussion or not. I won't say a lot (although I could) but wanted to share a few thoughts.
I've been posting in detailing discussions since 1998-99 on the Edmunds Town Hall forum. Discovered and joined Autopia in early 2001. Got myself banned from Autopia (along with a lot of other people) sometime in 2004. Started Detailers Club in 2004 as a private forum, went public in 2005. Forum is currently on hiatus.
I used to be a massive detailing forum post whore. Maybe not the biggest but I was pretty bad. I got burned out from detailing forums a few years ago and now only post to a few, including TID.
The personality of any internet discussion forum stems from the founders, admins, and moderators of the site. MOL is a great example of this. Mike Phillips was the primary "engine" motivating MOL until recently. When things with him changed, so did MOL. Now that Mike is over at Autogeek, expect to see a change in its feel. Same with Detailing Bliss. That forum is basically an extension of Carlos' personality, good and bad. It attracts people who like him and his friends.
For better or worse, Autogeek and Meguiars have established the successful model of detailing forums - connect the business operation with direct customer access and involvement. David Bynon and Autopia did it backwards (create the customer access point, then try to leverage it to the business operation) and it hasn't worked very well. TID is following the success model and I'm sure they'll get it right in time.
Bottom line, people come and go but it's the leadership and vision of the forum creators that determines the success of a discussion forum. If a forum operates in a manner you like or don't like, look at management for the reasons why. They drive the entire operation.
Yours in excessive posts about car detailing, I remain,
I've been posting in detailing discussions since 1998-99 on the Edmunds Town Hall forum. Discovered and joined Autopia in early 2001. Got myself banned from Autopia (along with a lot of other people) sometime in 2004. Started Detailers Club in 2004 as a private forum, went public in 2005. Forum is currently on hiatus.
I used to be a massive detailing forum post whore. Maybe not the biggest but I was pretty bad. I got burned out from detailing forums a few years ago and now only post to a few, including TID.
The personality of any internet discussion forum stems from the founders, admins, and moderators of the site. MOL is a great example of this. Mike Phillips was the primary "engine" motivating MOL until recently. When things with him changed, so did MOL. Now that Mike is over at Autogeek, expect to see a change in its feel. Same with Detailing Bliss. That forum is basically an extension of Carlos' personality, good and bad. It attracts people who like him and his friends.
For better or worse, Autogeek and Meguiars have established the successful model of detailing forums - connect the business operation with direct customer access and involvement. David Bynon and Autopia did it backwards (create the customer access point, then try to leverage it to the business operation) and it hasn't worked very well. TID is following the success model and I'm sure they'll get it right in time.
Bottom line, people come and go but it's the leadership and vision of the forum creators that determines the success of a discussion forum. If a forum operates in a manner you like or don't like, look at management for the reasons why. They drive the entire operation.
Yours in excessive posts about car detailing, I remain,
imported_Bunky
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I have second thoughts about this post I am making.
This current thread has 65 posts and 1500 views which is far more than most any thread at TID. This is sad since there are so many positive topics to discuss such as why LC's new pads have exotic color names with more than 5 letters.
I do not think people should be griping about what goes on elsewhere. Others sites have spent energy on bashing David D at every opportunity. It think it sets a negative image and can keep others from posting since griping can turn into a feeding frenzy and can get ugly (name calling, etc).
I think the thread should be closed.
This current thread has 65 posts and 1500 views which is far more than most any thread at TID. This is sad since there are so many positive topics to discuss such as why LC's new pads have exotic color names with more than 5 letters.
I do not think people should be griping about what goes on elsewhere. Others sites have spent energy on bashing David D at every opportunity. It think it sets a negative image and can keep others from posting since griping can turn into a feeding frenzy and can get ugly (name calling, etc).
I think the thread should be closed.
imported_User Name
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Sorry Bunky, but I totally disagree.
I started this thread and I didn't bash anyone. I created a post about my honest opinion regarding forums.
I happened to state some things which happen to be 100% true. So, should we just pretend those things don't go on?
Don't you think a noobie to the detailing world deserves to know that slanderous things said at a particular site aren't necessarily true? Don't you think it is worth pointing out inconsistencies on a particualr site on detailing questions?
Honesty is multi-faceted, not one dimensional. Detailing is not just about how pad "A" works with product "B" but also about whether information is correct and whether a particular site is operating truthfully.
When I was new to (advanced) detailing (which was not too long ago), I pretty much believed everything I was reading, until I found out much of it was nonsense. Why shouldn't forums be held accountable for the information they put out?
If forum "X" is calling product "Y" an inferior clone of another product, should we just pretend that was not being written?
I started this thread and I didn't bash anyone. I created a post about my honest opinion regarding forums.
I happened to state some things which happen to be 100% true. So, should we just pretend those things don't go on?
Don't you think a noobie to the detailing world deserves to know that slanderous things said at a particular site aren't necessarily true? Don't you think it is worth pointing out inconsistencies on a particualr site on detailing questions?
Honesty is multi-faceted, not one dimensional. Detailing is not just about how pad "A" works with product "B" but also about whether information is correct and whether a particular site is operating truthfully.
When I was new to (advanced) detailing (which was not too long ago), I pretty much believed everything I was reading, until I found out much of it was nonsense. Why shouldn't forums be held accountable for the information they put out?
If forum "X" is calling product "Y" an inferior clone of another product, should we just pretend that was not being written?
imported_Mr. Clean
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I can agree with this. Seen it in action.
From a business return, I have no idea how David B. might or might not benefit from the forum, but everyone who has followed with their own forums have undoubtedly benefitted from his idea of the detailing forum. To say that anyone else established/created the model is incorrect, IMO of course.
I assume you meant David B (not David D) and I agree. There was one forum whose members seemed to spend a lot of time consumed with the idea. The same forum seemed to be singularly product centric and its members seemed to relish the fact that they rarely detailed their vehicles.
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
To be perfectly honest these types of threads are the hardest to moderate because I understand (and impart agree) with the premise of this post. When this was first post I had to grab my moderator scalpel and surgically remove some posts that stepped over that impossible to define line.
What makes this thread difficult for me is that as an enthusiast I support the right to post, particularly in the water cooler, about subjects related to detailing and blowing off some steam. But as a moderator I must protect this forums reputation, which is based on perception.
What becomes the perception if two of our bigger threads are in fact based on the poor experiences the posters have had at our competitors, even if these experiences are well founded.... We look like (and therefor become) the forum where people complain about things they don't like in the detailing industry and it looks like we agree with or promote competitor bashing. This is probably an unavoidable affect of having a 'lightly' policed site with no rules on product or business discussion (as long as the discussion doesn't become out right bashing, in which case the posts will be and have been deleted).
In an effort to be different you become like everybody else.
So to this end, I agree with Bunky completely, there are better things to discuss on this forum, if it is going to continue to grow in the direction we would all like.
To to the other end I agree with User Name because he has not out right bashed anybody is interested in having a debate and a chance to share his opinion with out having edited by the powers that be.
While you are free to discuss most work safe subjects in this section, I will ask that this is exercised with discretion. We want to provide a section where our forum members can discuss subjects openly, but we do not want to degrade in to competitor bashing site (or a site that can be viewed as such).
I really think, given the youth of this forum, we have been really lucky to have some of the best detailers in the country post here, have had very good, high quality write-ups posted here, and have had a wide variety of product discussion. So let's focus on the good and continue to move in the right direction.
On principle and for the respect the fact that User Name did not break any rules, I am not going to close the thread (yet) but I will ask that we let this one go. All opinions have been given and at this point it really can only only slide down hill.
What makes this thread difficult for me is that as an enthusiast I support the right to post, particularly in the water cooler, about subjects related to detailing and blowing off some steam. But as a moderator I must protect this forums reputation, which is based on perception.
What becomes the perception if two of our bigger threads are in fact based on the poor experiences the posters have had at our competitors, even if these experiences are well founded.... We look like (and therefor become) the forum where people complain about things they don't like in the detailing industry and it looks like we agree with or promote competitor bashing. This is probably an unavoidable affect of having a 'lightly' policed site with no rules on product or business discussion (as long as the discussion doesn't become out right bashing, in which case the posts will be and have been deleted).
In an effort to be different you become like everybody else.
So to this end, I agree with Bunky completely, there are better things to discuss on this forum, if it is going to continue to grow in the direction we would all like.
To to the other end I agree with User Name because he has not out right bashed anybody is interested in having a debate and a chance to share his opinion with out having edited by the powers that be.
While you are free to discuss most work safe subjects in this section, I will ask that this is exercised with discretion. We want to provide a section where our forum members can discuss subjects openly, but we do not want to degrade in to competitor bashing site (or a site that can be viewed as such).
I really think, given the youth of this forum, we have been really lucky to have some of the best detailers in the country post here, have had very good, high quality write-ups posted here, and have had a wide variety of product discussion. So let's focus on the good and continue to move in the right direction.
On principle and for the respect the fact that User Name did not break any rules, I am not going to close the thread (yet) but I will ask that we let this one go. All opinions have been given and at this point it really can only only slide down hill.