dawn liquid dishwasher soap

Chris@Optimum said:
Here's an interesting argument against dish detergents for automotive cleaning: http://m.carwash.com/detailing/article/the-case-against-dish-detergent-detailing
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Great article for those who are not informed. I have always advised against washing with dish soap. That is not to say I never use it. I use it only when I will be polishing and sealing/waxing after.

I always ask new customers what their current method of washing/maintaining is. I want to make sure they are not going to undo the work I do and that they are going to be happy with the job past the first wash. I often have to educate them and make several recommendations.
 
Trouble said:
Dawn doesn't strip wax. If it were the case, why does my car still bead like crazy and I haven't waxed it in two months :-?

Whoever started this myth doesn't know what there talking about
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Unless your car has OptiCoat or something similar than yes it will definitely aid in stripping wax or sealant, if not fully at least partially. Claying and IPA usually knock out the rest.
 
Chris@Optimum said:
Here's an interesting argument against dish detergents for automotive cleaning: http://m.carwash.com/detailing/article/the-case-against-dish-detergent-detailing
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With all due respect Chris. That article sounds like a bunch of gobbly-gook. It seems to me that the ones you always hear promoting using a dedicated car wash soap, are the very ones selling automotive detailing supplies

All I can say is I've been washing my personal car for 17 years every 2 weeks with Dawn and waxing every 2-3 months and am happy to report all of my seals are intact and my paint is immaculate and beads like nobodys business. My painter who commands as much as $75,000 pr vehicle uses Dawn too. If anyone would know about dishwashing liquid damaging paint, I assure you he would

Untill someone can provide some solid data that proves dishwashing liquid causes all these issues I see on the net, I'm going to always consider it just someone blowing smoke a.k.a. internet follklore a.k.a. someone who really doesn't know what there talking about

Kind regards,

Trouble :-B
 
Street Dreams said:
Unless your car has OptiCoat or something similar than yes it will definitely aid in stripping wax or sealant, if not fully at least partially. Claying and IPA usually knock out the rest.
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I agree with this David ^ But on the other hand, dedicated car wash soaps also remove LSP's, no?
 
Trouble said:
Dawn doesn't strip wax. If it were the case, why does my car still bead like crazy and I haven't waxed it in two months :-?

Whoever started this myth doesn't know what there talking about
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Flash it strips wax and sealants on cars I work on(lol), sometimes it will take two washes back to back but it does work so I am just curious why you would say this?.

Apc's depending on strength can etch paint and rubber seals as well, to me it justs aids in the total decon of a vehicle before correction details, I utilize CG maxi-suds when I do not want the conventional LSP stripped.
 
detailchick said:
What kind of wax do you use Trouble, and how much dawn do you use?
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Different brands, but primarly on my personal car I use Karneet

Never measured the amount of Dawn. I just eyeball it

Auto Concierge said:
Trouble it strips wax and sealants on cars I work on(lol), sometimes it will take two washes back to back but it does work so I am just curious why you would say this?.

Bob, I suppose your right to a degree. Dawn does strip wax, but so does a dedicated car wash soap. Sure, Dawn may speed up the process (who really knows though), I'm still averaging 3 months of hot beading action while washing every 2 weeks with Dawn and my paint is neither flaking, peeling or fading and my rubber is intact. 17 years I've been practicing this on the same car. How do you explain that is all I'm asking? Also, how long would you say the average LSP lasts?

Apc's depending on strength can etch paint and rubber seals as well, to me it justs aids in the total decon of a vehicle before correction details, I utilize CG maxi-suds when I do not want the conventional LSP stripped.
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Bob, right now I'm trying to defend Dawn. If you would like to discuss washing with APC's I can start another thread if you would like?


Thanks for the discussion everyone. I find it very intresting to see others views

Trouble Muscleman
 
Trouble said:
With all due respect Chris. That article sounds like a bunch of gobbly-gook. It seems to me that the ones you always hear promoting using a dedicated car wash soap, are the very ones selling automotive detailing supplies

All I can say is I've been washing my personal car for 17 years every 2 weeks with Dawn and waxing every 2-3 months and am happy to report all of my seals are intact and my paint is immaculate and beads like nobodys business. My painter who commands as much as $75,000 pr vehicle uses Dawn too. If anyone would know about dishwashing liquid damaging paint, I assure you he would

Untill someone can provide some solid data that proves dishwashing liquid causes all these issues I see on the net, I'm going to always consider it just someone blowing smoke a.k.a. internet follklore a.k.a. someone who really doesn't know what there talking about

Kind regards,

Trouble :-B
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Trouble said:
Different brands, but primarly on my personal car I use Karneet

Never measured the amount of Dawn. I just eyeball it



Bob, right now I'm trying to defend Dawn. If you would like to discuss washing with APC's I can start another thread if you would like?


Thanks for the discussion everyone. I find it very intresting to see others views

Trouble Muscleman
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Flash/trouble,

Please do not dismiss other members opinions as:

someone who really doesn't know what there talking about
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It is not your place to say what can and can't be discussed in a thread. We are very much open to aspects of how other products relate.
 
There was a chemist on here a while back stating that Dawn won't do any worse to paint then automotive detergents.

I'm not a chemist, and can't verify anything anyway, so I'll just continue to use Meguiars NXT or ONR on my cars.

Your car may still bead with no wax if it's highly polished and has no gunk on it.
 
Flash, you are the only detailer I know who uses Dawn to wash on a regular basis as I use it just to strip LSP and I would make a good guess that everyone else feels the same way.

No worries though do what you "Gotta do".
 
Auto Concierge said:
Trouble, you are the only detailer I know who uses Dawn to wash on a regular basis as I use it just to strip LSP and I would make a good guess that everyone else feels the same way.

No worries though do what you "Gotta do".
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Bob, I don't offer "Car Washes" so, it doesn't matter to me if the LSP gets stripped off or not

All I was trying to ask is how is it on my personal car can I go 3 months and still have heavy beading action if Dawn strips the LSP and I wash every 10-14 days

Sorry this subject has gotten everyone in such an uproar

Trouble OMG!]
 
Trouble said:
Bob, I don't offer "Car Washes" so, it doesn't matter to me if the LSP gets stripped off or not

All I was trying to ask is how is it on my personal car can I go 3 months and still have heavy beading action if Dawn strips the LSP and I wash every 10-14 days

Sorry this subject has gotten everyone in such an uproar

Trouble OMG!]
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Are there any pictures of the cars you detail? You spend a lot of time on the forums with no real work to post or legitimate advice to offer for those who seek it...


Oh, and most every single person on here who you contest or question actually details cars on a regular basis, with pictures to verify their legitimacy and skill... just throwing that out there.

I really am not trying to start anything at all but just so you know where im coming from I feel like the situation is similar to when someone fatter than you gives you advice on how to lose weight, I just dont buy it :biggrin:
 
Trouble said:
Bob, I don't offer "Car Washes" so, it doesn't matter to me if the LSP gets stripped off or not

All I was trying to ask is how is it on my personal car can I go 3 months and still have heavy beading action if Dawn strips the LSP and I wash every 10-14 days

Sorry this subject has gotten everyone in such an uproar

Trouble OMG!]
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But you are "Washing" your own car Chief..................... why strip off anything is that's not the intent??

Come on now, I agreed with you on TOWGT aka Jon Miller, but this and your thoughts on Megs D-300.............. is like the Aflac commercial "They will even give you cash which is the same as money" and the Barber is like "Whaaaattt" at some point Flash to argue just to argue....2+2 = 4 not 6 SNP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
shizam1 said:
There was a chemist on here a while back stating that Dawn won't do any worse to paint then automotive detergents.

I'm not a chemist, and can't verify anything anyway, so I'll just continue to use Meguiars NXT or ONR on my cars.

Your car may still bead with no wax if it's highly polished and has no gunk on it.
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I remember that thread Weightlifter

www.truthindetailing.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=1348&highlite=dish+washing+soap

Street Dreams said:
Are there any pictures of the cars you detail? You spend a lot of time on the forums with no real work to post or legitimate advice to offer for those who seek it...



Oh, and most every single person on here who you contest or question actually details cars on a regular basis, with pictures to verify their legitimacy and skill... just throwing that out there.

I really am not trying to start anything at all but just so you know where im coming from I feel like the situation is similar to when someone fatter than you gives you advice on how to lose weight, I just dont buy it :biggrin:
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Why post pictures if I'm not looking for business? To prove something to you?

As far as the legitamacy of the advice I offer, can you show me where I've offered bad advice please?


BTW...How is your $800 an hour detailing class coming along Muscleman

Auto Concierge said:
But you are "Washing" your own car Chief..................... why strip off anything is that's not the intent??

Come on now, I agreed with you on TOWGT aka Jon Miller, but this and your thoughts on Megs D-300.............. is like the Aflac commercial "They will even give you cash which is the same as money" and the Barber is like "Whaaaattt" at some point Flash to argue just to argue....2+2 = 4 not 6 SNP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This response makes no sense Bob /:)

Tuck91 said:
I like the fact that many people still use & buy Dawn since it helps save wildlife.
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Me too Nick, me too @-)
 
Trouble said:

BTW...How is your $800 an hour detailing class coming along Muscleman
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Do NOT start this again, please. Back away from the keyboard, take a deep breath. Every time I see your posts head down this road, it always ends the same.....

Just relax, it's detailing. Let's not make it into any more than it is.
 
mikenap said:
Do NOT start this again, please. Back away from the keyboard, take a deep breath. Every time I see your posts head down this road, it always ends the same.....
Just relax, it's detailing. Let's not make it into any more than it is.
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Flash/trouble I was throwing some humor into the situation so it would not go like Mike just said^^^^ "It always ends the same" and we know where that is and that is "Bannedcamp".

Look, you use Dawn for your washes.....great it does not strip anything on your car only.......it is a "De-greaser" for greasy dishes, and it happens to do the same thing to cars with wax/sealants. It takes me sometime a couple of hits with the dawn and/or clay to get everything off and that is why we all use it, but to say it does not strip wax..................... is detailing foilhatness especially when you say anybody who says it does is full of poop......well that means me and almost the entire detailing world pro and enthusiast.

Having strong opinions are fine, but banging Dave about the class is dumb and the muscle pose.......he earned it as I am twice his size(More or less lol) and I cannot lift what he does.....not on my best day, so in conclusion agree to disagree so you can stay around a little longer, or...............you know what............."Clippage with the quickness" is coming and coming right soon.
 
Lol I've read few places about a certain someone who can't seem to stay on forums too long before they get the boot. It seems that may be the case here. Anyways I and many other people use dawn because it DOES indeed help strip wax and sealants. So unless you can prove it doesnt and its just all of our imaginations, you sir are wrong. Maybe your car still beads because you are light on the soap.
 
Why post pictures if I'm not looking for business? To prove something to you?

As far as the legitamacy of the advice I offer, can you show me where I've offered bad advice please?

If you wanna pull the elementary school "what do I have to prove" stuff than fine, but its not helping your cause because this is the internet and pictures seem to solve most predicaments like the one you happen to be in.

You asked me to show you where you have offered bad advice...

Trouble said:
Dawn doesn't strip wax. If it were the case, why does my car still bead like crazy and I haven't waxed it in two months :-?

Whoever started this myth doesn't know what there talking about
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^Yup that qualifies as bad advice, anyone reading that who is here to learn (majority of this community actually) would take your advice and be seriously disappointed with it. Any legitimate detailer that thinks its okay to use Dawn and it wont affect the protection on the car should not be detailing. Furthermore you also seemed surprised it dries out trim... um yes thats what detergents do and if you maintained a customers car using Dawn regularly I'd be amazed you'd stay in business for more than a year.

Were all just online personalities, we don't meet in person and anyone can make up or claim anything. SO the only real way for us differentiate between those who are legit and those who are a front is by, wait, you ready for this? .... PICTURES!

So far your tally comes to zero.

In this somewhat of a ridiculous pissing contest you really have no merit because your words are garbage and incorrect and would indicate that you don't detail as you say you do, the lack of any pictures backs this claim up even more.

Good so far? K, moving on.


BTW...How is your $800 an hour detailing class coming along Muscleman

I would take offense to that comment but considering a grown man is bitter over a the rates I charge for my services, that would lead me to suggest a massive insecurity on your part. On that note I feel wrong offering up a hurtful rebuttal so I will instead offer you a DISCOUNT for my $800/hr detailing class. You clearly need some training when it comes to detailing so just for you I'll do it for $775/hr, lunch is on me too.



*Note to mods: Please let this play out, eventually you wont have to make any sort of "decision" when it comes to weather or not banning Trouble is a good idea. He will make that one for you.
 
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