Collinite?

The rumor (and it's only a rumor) is that one of the wax companies did a spectro-analysis of 845 and determined that the percentage of carnauba in it is very small. Perhaps this is why AutoGeek has it grouped under the synthetic sealants.



But it's only a rumor. :)
 
akimel said:
The rumor (and it's only a rumor) is that one of the wax companies did a spectro-analysis of 845 and determined that the percentage of carnauba in it is very small. Perhaps this is why AutoGeek has it grouped under the synthetic sealants.



But it's only a rumor. :)
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I got this reply from Collinite when I asked about the composition of 845:



"The #845 Liquid Insulator Wax contains the #1 grade yellow carnauba wax along with two other man-made polymer waxes. If you are waxing the car and want to apply two coats of wax in the same day I would wait about 30 minutes in between applications. I think you will find that the wax protects enough that you would not need to put a sealer over the wax you have applied."
 
biolink said:
I got this reply from Collinite when I asked about the composition of 845:



"The #845 Liquid Insulator Wax contains the #1 grade yellow carnauba wax along with two other man-made polymer waxes. If you are waxing the car and want to apply two coats of wax in the same day I would wait about 30 minutes in between applications. I think you will find that the wax protects enough that you would not need to put a sealer over the wax you have applied."
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so this is more of a true wax than sealant? not really like zaino but last just as longer, if not longer? does it fill small imperfections as well then?
 
YseanY said:
so this is more of a true wax than sealant? not really like zaino but last just as longer, if not longer? does it fill small imperfections as well then?
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It sounds like a wax. Other brands contain wax as well as polymers also. The question is, what is the ratio of nuba to polymer? He didn't say that. He also did not mention anything of filling properties. I have not had a chance to use mine to see what the capabilities are. I am anxious to do so. I'm going to give it a run on some dark colors to test the capabilities in the AZ sun. It is supposed to have a relatively high melting point.
 
akimel said:
The rumor (and it's only a rumor) is that one of the wax companies did a spectro-analysis of 845 and determined that the percentage of carnauba in it is very small. Perhaps this is why AutoGeek has it grouped under the synthetic sealants.



But it's only a rumor. :)
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I believe that to be accurate. When I chatted with the people at Collinite, they reported the actual carnauba content is tiny. He said they add it 'cause some folks won't buy the product unless they see the word "carnauba" on the label.



I classify this polyethylene-based product more as a sealant than a wax. It certainly has the longevity of a sealant.
 
tom p. said:
I believe that to be accurate. When I chatted with the people at Collinite, they reported the actual carnauba content is tiny. He said they add it 'cause some folks won't buy the product unless they see the word "carnauba" on the label.



I classify this polyethylene-based product more as a sealant than a wax. It certainly has the longevity of a sealant.
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Do you know of other sealants which are polyethylene based?
 
YseanY said:
so this is more of a true wax than sealant? not really like zaino but last just as longer, if not longer? does it fill small imperfections as well then?
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Another response from Collinite with regard to fillers:



"If you are looking for something to fill swirl marks or light surface scratches I would recommend using 3M Imperial Hand Glaze prior to applying a wax."



No fillers.
 
big fan of 845 here - just didnt get on with 476...did someone say pseudo holograms :lol:



I MUCH prefer FK1000 to 476, but love the ease of use and rich look of 845 :)
 
Okay, I just used 845 for the first time on a friends car. 2007 Honda Accord Dark Grey. I clayed the paint, polished with FPII using my PC, alcohol rub, 2 coats of 845. This wax was very easy to use. 1 ounce did two coats. The look is amazing. If the durability holds up to what Autopians say, this will be my new go to wax. Love it.
 
biolink said:
Do you know of other sealants which are polyethylene based?
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Not really, the mfrs aren't terribly "open" about their formulations. I have no idea how widespread the use of polyethylene is in the many products we enjoy.



Found on Google:



Car-Lack 68 Premium Systematic Care + Nano is a high class quality product. Effective and mild, it is suitable for all kinds of paints, including metallic. Protection lasts for months. Car-Lack 68 cleans almost all surfaces, removes tar, insects, grease, deep seated grime and oxidation. It can be applied to cars, bikes, boats and aircraft, (Including painted metals and plastics, chrome, stainless steel, gelcoat, fiberglass and non porous plastic surfaces). Car-Lack 68 Premium Systematic Care + Nano is neither polish nor wax, but a combination of cleaning and conserving agents. Car-Lack 68 is mainly aligned to the following factors: 25% UV protective agents, 30% conserving agents, 35% shining agents, 10% cleaning agents. Car-Lack 68 combines the following components within one product: surface cleaner, tar remover, rust dissolver and the new formula Polyethylene / Acryl + Nano technology, will plasticise the surface :grinno: with a very thin acrylic coating. Car-Lack 68 contains a gentle cleaning agent without any grinding ingredients (Non-Abrasive).
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Klasse is a synthetic wax (sealant) and the original two-step paint care system. The first formulation was released in 1969. It was a breakthrough admixing polyethylene carnauba wax replacement system.



Through the years, Klasse car wax has evolved with many improvements. The first major change came in 1986, when Klasse was modified from its original formula to use the latest polyethylene-acry compound technology. Between 1991 and 1996, the chemists made incremental improvements to improve durability by more than 30% and U.V. protection by 100%.
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Boston Man- The "psuedo holograms" are a weird effect you can *sometimes* get with certain LSPs; they look a lot like rotary-induced holograms but are just a weird form of wax streaking.



476S seems to do it more than most LSPs, IME it happens when more than one coat is applied. I don't think anybody's really gotten to the bottom of it yet :think:
 
Accumulator said:
Boston Man- The "psuedo holograms" are a weird effect you can *sometimes* get with certain LSPs; they look a lot like rotary-induced holograms but are just a weird form of wax streaking.



476S seems to do it more than most LSPs, IME it happens when more than one coat is applied. I don't think anybody's really gotten to the bottom of it yet :think:
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Accumulator, I know that you like to apply 476 over a coat of 845. Does that eliminate or reduce for you the problem of wax holograms?
 
akimel said:
Accumulator, I know that you like to apply 476 over a coat of 845. Does that eliminate or reduce for you the problem of wax holograms?
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I don't know :nixweiss I suspect it's not a cure-all as the problem seems to be related to *layering* 476S.



One time that I got them I *did* have 476S over 845. Everything was fine until I did a final wipe-down with FK425, after which I had pseudo holograms. In that case, I suspect that the badly pitted/compromised paint retained excess 476S and that the FK425 effected some kind of solvent action on it, but that' just a guess. That would be a wild-card situation and might not be relevent to most details.



The other time I had 476S over 1Z WPS (no 845) and attempts to layer on more 476S resulted in the pseudo holograms.



I'd used 476S for years with no problems like this (no matter *what* other products I had on there) and I just don't really know what's going on.



Someday I'll start a thread on this and see if we can figure it out.
 
Accumulator said:
476S seems to do it more than most LSPs, IME it happens when more than one coat is applied. I don't think anybody's really gotten to the bottom of it yet :think:
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I had bad wax holograms when I went over 476S with 915. I was also using a 4" red pad on a PC, but based on others' experiences, I think that may not have anything to do with it.
 
Happened to me a couple times 476 0ver 845. It almost seemed like 845 was not dry in some spots but 80% of 845 was dry. I don't know if that makes any sense.:hm
 
ramtough- Maybe you need to wait longer between the 845 and the 476S.



wfedwar- I suspect the PC application *does* have something to do with it.
 
Sorry Accumulator always let my waxes dry for an hour or so. Not trying to disagree though. You always say use the swipe test I just go to extremes.
 
We use 476/885 and 845 as our winter protection. Lots of salt and grime here in the Northeast. Put on 3 coats in late October; with an occasional wash, get through to April, no problem, with nice beading. Must put it on THIN.
 
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