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[Fallz]

Not quite, at least when I was talking with them; one of the Mikes at Collinite did say 915 was marketed towards people who wouldn't buy a less expensive product, but he did *NOT* say it was a repackaged/tweaked version of 476S. He said that, as the ad-copy says, the 915 has more carnauba.



But he did say that the 476S was more durable and that it's the wax the people working at Collinite like on their own cars.

915 is totally different than 476

 

[Rob Tomlin]

After using both 915 and 476 the past couple years, they are both totally different. 476 is very bright looking and 915 is deep looking. You can actually see the real carnuba chunks in the 915. Both also smell totally different too.

I have 915 and used it for the first time last week (it mostly smells "solvent like" to me). It rained in SoCal today, and the beading is pretty amazing! :shocked



However, before the vehicle got rain on it, I noticed that the part that had 915 on it appeared to be attracting dust noticeably more than the portion that had BWD on it.



Have you noticed increased dust attraction with 915 compared to pure sealants?

 

[Rob Tomlin]

Not quite, at least when I was talking with them; one of the Mikes at Collinite did say 915 was marketed towards people who wouldn't buy a less expensive product, but he did *NOT* say it was a repackaged/tweaked version of 476S. He said that, as the ad-copy says, the 915 has more carnauba.



But he did say that the 476S was more durable and that it's the wax the people working at Collinite like on their own cars.

Well, this all gets very confusing. To be clear, *I* most certainly was not the one to say anything about the similarities between 476 and 915 in any way.



This conversation started with this:

#915 = Top of their line (more carnauba than 476). Great paste wax with state of the art durability and luxurious shine.

Where did you get this info? This has been argued here before, with some members being told by people at Collinite that these two products are identical and simply have different target markets.

In support of Setec's statement about people being told by Collinite that these two products are "identical and simply have different target markets" he posted a link to this thread:



http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing-product-discussion/78372-collinite-915-marque.html



I note in that thread that you said:

Some people here think they find functional differences between the 915 and the other Collinite pastes, and I don't want to :nono them. But the guys at Collinite actually joke about how they only sell it because some people won't buy an inexpensive wax...they say they don't use it on their own cars and they get whichever they want for free

This *implied* that they are the same.



Later, when someone else posted an email that they received from Collinite saying:

This is the answer I got back from an email I sent:



Broadly speaking, 885 and 476 are very close products, 476 being directed to the auto market and 885 to marine and aeronautical. 915 has a higher concentration of brazillian caranuba and brings up a stronger shine. 885/476 is a more durable wax over the 915.

You replied with:

Sounds like the guys at Collinite are being a little more careful about what they say regarding the 915, at least when they're putting it in a e-mail that might get posted somewhere

Which seemed to further the implication that you (or someone) were told by somebody at Collinite that 915 and 476 were the same product just marketed differently.



This was also posted in that thread:

It is the same thing as the 476s according to the people at Collinite, just with added scent.

After reading that thread, I find it difficult to determine who is saying what and who told what to whom! Did Bigpoppa actually talk to someone at Collinite, or was he repeating something that he (thought?) he read here (or elsewhere?)? :nixweiss



In any event, I was the one who was *questioning* this whole notion that someone at Collinite specifically stated that 915 and 476 were the same products, but that 915 was simply more expensive as part of a marketing strategy.

 

[Fallz]

Rob what is BWD ?



Interesting about the dust attraction . See what other opinions are ? Its winter here so I envy the warm weather you have and even the rain.



Saying it smells like solvent make me think of FK/PW .

 

[Rob Tomlin]

Rob what is BWD ?



Interesting about the dust attraction . See what other opinions are ? Its winter here so I envy the warm weather you have and even the rain.



Saying it smells like solvent make me think of FK/PW .

BWD = Blackfire Wet Diamond



Actually, 915 very much reminds me of FK 1000p.

 

[tenorplayer23]

845 works very well for me. It's all I buy from Collinite.



See ya. :wavey

 

[Fallz]

845 works very well for me. It's all I buy from Collinite.



See ya. :wavey

What else do you use besides the Collinite ?

 

[Accumulator]

Rob Tomlin- Sorry to have apparently added to the confusion instead of helping clear it up



I really didn't mean to imply similarities between 915/476S, not my intention at all. It's the 885 and 476S that *AFAIK* are the same product with different sizes/marketing.



Looking at it now, that bit I posted in the other thread:

Some people here think they find functional differences between the 915 and the other Collinite pastes, and I don't want to them.

Well, that sounds off, I must've mis-stated whatever I was thinking Maybe I had something now inscrutable in mind when I was thinking "functional differences", but eh...I guess simply botched up that post. Sheesh, I'm sure not contributing much clarity to this one, huh?!?

 

[Rob Tomlin]

No problem Accumulator, I just wanted to make it clear that I was not the one saying that 915 and 476 were the same.

 

[Accumulator]

.. I just wanted to make it clear that I was not the one saying that 915 and 476 were the same.

Roger that...the way this thread has gone it can be hard to tell who means to say what.

 

[PWORLDSTANG]

BWD = Blackfire Wet Diamond



Actually, 915 very much reminds me of FK 1000p.

I think my next LSP's to try are something from Collinite's line up, and FK 1000. I told myself I wouldn't buy anymore LSP's as I already have too many. I like the idea of FK 1000 and FK 425 with their anti-static properties for a daily driver.



Hopefully you can comment more on how the durability of these two products compare towards the end of winter.



Did you apply the 915 on a daily driver?

 

[Rob Tomlin]

Roger that...the way this thread has gone it can be hard to tell who means to say what.

Exactly.

I think my next LSP's to try are something from Collinite's line up, and FK 1000. I told myself I wouldn't buy anymore LSP's as I already have too many. I like the idea of FK 1000 and FK 425 with their anti-static properties for a daily driver.

In my early impressions I can't say that I am too excited about 915 for one simple reason: the 915 really seems to be attracting dust. I just washed my wife's silver Mazda 5 and the roof (with the 915 on it) has noticeably more dust on it than the hood, which has BWD topped with OCW. The difference is not small.



To make it perfectly fair, I should probably do half the hood with 915 and the other with BWD.

Hopefully you can comment more on how the durability of these two products compare towards the end of winter.



Did you apply the 915 on a daily driver?

Yes, my wife's Mazda 5. The 915 is on the roof and all the lower panels that tend to get much dirtier.

 

[Makinis]

Hi autopians



Ive read somewhere that collinite is not a "true wax"



Sealant?

 

[PWORLDSTANG]

Thanks for the feedback Rob. Dust attraction is something I have a lower tolerance level for as well. It would be interesting to see how the Collinite attracted dust compared to the BFWD with half of the hood done, however.

 

[PWORLDSTANG]

Hi autopians



Ive read somewhere that collinite is not a "true wax"



Sealant?

This has been debated on here in the past without a conclusive answer as best as I cam remember (someone correct me if I am wrong).



Based off what is on Collinite's site I personally consider it a wax. Collinite says it is made of the same exact indegredients as 476 Paste Wax, but just in liquid form. That would mean that it's a wax.

 

[Makinis]

Thanks PWORLDSTANG



I remember reading here in autopia someone commented that even the paste wax 476 is not a true wax. Sealant in paste form?



Another question autopians. Where do you use the sapphire line of collinite?

 

[Rob Tomlin]

Thanks for the feedback Rob. Dust attraction is something I have a lower tolerance level for as well. It would be interesting to see how the Collinite attracted dust compared to the BFWD with half of the hood done, however.

I definitely have a low tolerance for dust attraction. It pretty much negates any other positive aspects that the LSP might have imo.



As for the 915 and dust attraction, I need to confirm what I am seeing by doing exactly what you mention in terms of doing it half and half on the hood. It could be possible that the roof simply attracts/collects more dust than the hood, and this would be noticed even if I had the BWD on the roof instead of the 915. I just don't remember noticing that difference before.

 

[Accumulator]

I remember reading here in autopia someone commented that even the paste wax 476 is not a true wax. Sealant in paste form?

I suppose nobody really knows what's in Collinite except the people who work there. I've read (on another forum) that 845 supposedly contains "resins", whatever that means, and who knows if that's accurate anyhow :nixweiss



I strongly suspect that products like 845 and 476S/885 are hybrid products, combinations of natural and synthetic "waxes". At some level you can probably say that about most *any* wax, but the Collinites seem to be a little more "synthetic" than a lot of other products, or at least that's how they behave.



I wouldn't get too caught up in what a company calls it's LSP. Note that Finish Kare calls FK1000P a "wax" even though it's a 100% synthetic product (i.e., a "sealant") with no natural waxes in it at all. I no longer concern myself with what a product is called, just how it behaves.

Another question autopians. Where do you use the sapphire line of collinite?

Since the abrasives in Sapphire are "not recommended for use on dark clearcoated finishes", i'm not getting that stuff anywhere near anything of mine. Might be OK for somebody to use on something, but nah...no thanks.

 

[Makinis]

Thank you very much accumulator for the information.

 

[Rob Tomlin]

I wouldn't get too caught up in what a company calls it's LSP. Note that Finish Kare calls FK1000P a "wax" even though it's a 100% synthetic product (i.e., a "sealant") with no natural waxes in it at all. .

I've seen this come up recently in other threads, so I went to look at my can of 1000p. Technically Finish Kare does *not* call FK 1000p a "wax". They call it a "Synthetic Paste Wax", which is exactly what it is. However, I have the "U.S. version" that doesn't have the shark on it, and I don't think that the foreign version says "Synthetic Paste Wax" on it, but I'm not sure.