Collinite ordering products ......
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Rob Tomlin
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Setec Astronomy said:
Yeah, I've read that thread before (yesterday, in fact, when I was researching Collinite 915 based on the reviews at DW).
Like I said, it doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just doesn't make any sense.
Setec Astronomy
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Rob Tomlin said:
Ya know, not everybody you get on the phone at a company is a PR guy who has the company line down on why you should buy the more expensive stuff. I'm sure if you could get the right phone number at the Green Giant packing plant and called in on a Saturday morning you could find someone to tell you "yeah, we just changed the labels over to the A&P store brand peas!".
Perhaps the marketing guy was out that afternoon and the Autopian insisted on talking to someone and the secretary got tired of listening to him and put someone on the phone who didn't know he should be keeping his mouth shut.
I've been personally told of salesmen circumventing company systems to get their customers parts because they felt the system was too cumbersome and wanted to help the customer. Not every employee agrees with the way their company is run or the PR web they spin, and some will comment on it.
Rob Tomlin
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Setec Astronomy said:
And it is also just as likely that this person had no idea what he was talking about!
Setec Astronomy
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Rob Tomlin said:
That may be.
Rob Tomlin
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Fallguy said:
Which one are you referring to in particular?
The availability of Collinite products over-the-counter is kinda hit-and-miss.
Some of you bought both the 845 and 476S at Harbor Freight, which no longer carries it. Some get is at NAPA auto, but not all stores stock it on the shelf.
I get mine at a marine supply store, but the 476S is sold as 885 and the 845 is sold as 925. They are identical, as when you look at the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on the Collinite website, they refer to both waxes. It's just another option for you if you want to spend the money locally at a brick-and-morter business.
I use the 885 on my daily driver (Subaru Outback) here in the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field (Literally, 15" of snow yesterday and -2°F temp outside today) because it last most of the winter and it looks great. As an available over-the-counter (OTC) wax, I recommend it over the other favorite OTC, Meguiars NXT 2.0 for that reason. Where this wax REALLY helps is when its on the door jams because the door seals don't stick to it when the snow melts from the heat of the car, and then freezes when it sits outside or in an unheated garage. (Yes, I treat my seals with AeroSpace 303 protectant as well.) I've seen people pour hot water on their doors to open them, drive off, and I KNOW that they will just have the same problem at the next place they stop (like at their work parking lot).
Just a common-sense detailing process to prevent a winter-driving problem.
Some of you bought both the 845 and 476S at Harbor Freight, which no longer carries it. Some get is at NAPA auto, but not all stores stock it on the shelf.
I get mine at a marine supply store, but the 476S is sold as 885 and the 845 is sold as 925. They are identical, as when you look at the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on the Collinite website, they refer to both waxes. It's just another option for you if you want to spend the money locally at a brick-and-morter business.
I use the 885 on my daily driver (Subaru Outback) here in the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field (Literally, 15" of snow yesterday and -2°F temp outside today) because it last most of the winter and it looks great. As an available over-the-counter (OTC) wax, I recommend it over the other favorite OTC, Meguiars NXT 2.0 for that reason. Where this wax REALLY helps is when its on the door jams because the door seals don't stick to it when the snow melts from the heat of the car, and then freezes when it sits outside or in an unheated garage. (Yes, I treat my seals with AeroSpace 303 protectant as well.) I've seen people pour hot water on their doors to open them, drive off, and I KNOW that they will just have the same problem at the next place they stop (like at their work parking lot).
Just a common-sense detailing process to prevent a winter-driving problem.
Accumulator
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Fallguy said:
Yeah, almost always. I usually use a red Griot's waxing pad and speed 4.
That comes up a lot, but they sure seem like mighty different products to me. The two of them aren't *nearly* as similar as, say...Meguiar's #26 paste/liquid.
fallguy said:
IME *anything* over top of Collinite will alter the "signature Collinite beading".
That said, I usually use Griot's SpeedShine on 476S and FK425 on 845. I've had *one* instance where FK425 didn't play nice with 476S and that was serious enough that I haven't tried that combo since even though I'd used it many times in the past.
Setec Astronomy
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Rob Tomlin said:
You know while we were arguing over what Collinite reps did or didn't or should or shouldn't have said, they answered a lot of questions from this thread here: FAQs about Collinite Wax Products* :: Choice of the Pros :: Auto, Marine and Industrial, including these remarks:
"4) What is the difference between the 476s and the 915 Marque D’Elegance?
In terms of durability, the 476s lasts an average of one month longer than the 915.
The 915 has more carnauba wax in the formula, and its finishing result is a warmer shine, and it is slightly easier to work with.
The 476s is the most durable product offered by Collinite, which is why it requires a little more rubbing and elbow grease.
5) What is the difference between the 845 and the 476s?
The 845 and 476s are made with the same ingredients, but the 476s lasts longer due to the fact that it has a higher concentration of natural and synthetic waxes. This is why the 476s is tougher to work with. The 845 has been Collinite’s overall best seller for 20 years due to the fact that it has excellent durability combined with an ease of use."
imported_rydawg1
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Setec Astronomy said:
I think this info was for the non-voc products. I have al the new voc products and 476 is the easiest to apply and take off. 915 seems to easily outlast and outshine 476. I think the old non-voc 476 lasted longer and was harder to apply.
Out of all the Collinites, 915 is my all time favorite. The protection it gives is amazing too.
Setec Astronomy
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rydawg said:
Oh sure, just when I thought we were done arguing! Doesn't matter, anyway, I'll be dead before I use up my LSP's and have to buy any more.
Accumulator
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Setec Astronomy said:
Heh heh, same here
wn1998 said:
I dunno if it's truly necessary, but I wait about a day. I read somewhere that 845 contains "resins" and I'm basing this wait on what's required with Autoglym Super Resin Polish. Yeah, my reasoning could be faulty :nixweiss
Rob Tomlin
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Setec Astronomy said:
I actually remember having read that before our prior discussion. Of course, this is contrary to what someone at Collinite supposedly said, i.e, that 915 was merely a more expensive repackaged version of 476 to market to those who didn't want to by a cheap wax (or words to that effect).
imported_rydawg1
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Rob Tomlin said:
After using both 915 and 476 the past couple years, they are both totally different. 476 is very bright looking and 915 is deep looking. You can actually see the real carnuba chunks in the 915. Both also smell totally different too.
Accumulator
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Rob Tomlin said:
Not quite, at least when I was talking with them; one of the Mikes at Collinite did say 915 was marketed towards people who wouldn't buy a less expensive product, but he did *NOT* say it was a repackaged/tweaked version of 476S. He said that, as the ad-copy says, the 915 has more carnauba.
But he did say that the 476S was more durable and that it's the wax the people working at Collinite like on their own cars.