Collinite 915 Marque

Now my question is..if 915 contains 22% more wax...and you use it in cold weather...by nature..doesn't wax become harder in cold weather...so if 915 leaves a higher content coating which makes it softer in normal weather ..wouldn't it leave a harder coating in cold weather....you see what I am trying to say....you leave a can of wax in the fridge...and you basicly have to chisel it out.....or try to wax in 40 degree weather...it turns to concrete on the paint..will not spread and removeing is harder...



so what they are saying is that the less wax content the more durable...so in reality any cheap wax with a low wax content is durable..maybe not give a good look....they use Naphta as a carrier and add no resins..thats what they told me...



I have 915..fleetwax ...insulator wax..and doublecoat....but I was always under the impression that the downfall of wax was during hot weather as the melting point is around 180??..but colder weather would be an advantage...as it would make the wax retain its solid state better...Raw wax is like concrete...even after refinement to get inpurities out it still is hard as a rock...





Confused...



I do not understand their logic..lol....they claim it is the highest endurance wax ..so to endure you have to be durable...





their claim....from their site...



For the BEST in wax endurance, Marque d'Elegance is the product to have. Car enthusiasts demand a wax that is proven to protect in the most demanding environments, rain or shine, on track or on the street.



now does this claim not mean most durable....it says it is the best in Endurance....



That is what I asked before to them..what is your best durable wax..reply was 915....best gloss and protection...







AL
 
Well as you can see here on this thread..some people where told that 915 was the same as 476s..some were told 915 was different..higher wax content..so that does make it different...I was told it was the most durable....and others were told less durable...





they say one thing..web site says another...I am not being picky...but just trying to show..how much info we get is reliable....



I belong to a few truck and car forums..and seen posts there also what people were told (supposedly..could be BS also)..



That is what is confusing...people being told different info..



Al
 
AL-53- IMO the only real way to know about the durability is to simple do a side-by-side comparison like I'm doing with the pre/post-VOC 845 and the 476S. See what happens under the conditions of interest and then you'll *know*. You're in a great position to test this since you have all three of the waxes under discussion on hand.



A few random thoughts, just my $0.02/*IMO*, follow:



The "amount of wax" and/or the "amount of carnauba", by percentage, don't necessarily indicate how good a wax is, or at least not how well it'll perform. Insulator supposedly contains "resins" (got that from another forum, not sure if it's correct), which contribute to its durability. If you increased the "wax content" you'd be decreasing the "resin content" which might make the wax "worse". Carnauba isn't the last word in LSP ingredients and companies just make a big deal out of it because it can sound good/help them sell wax.



Melting points: if a *cured* carnauba (or other natural wax) melted as readily as some might think, products like Souveran wouldn't last for weeks on the black cars that ScottWax does in Texas. They wouldn't last for an afternoon of hard driving on the hood of my Jag, which gets *hot*. While some waxes last longer than others on the Jag, none of them "melt" even when the hood is far too hot to touch; never happened on my black cars either and I used natural waxes/carnaubas on them.



Even companies that I like (Collinite, Griot's, insert your favorite here :D ) resort to ridiculous hyperbole in their advertising, and they often contradict themselves. Heh heh, they forget that people might read, and remember, everything they say. Gotta take *all this stuff* with a huge grain of salt because at the end of the day they're just trying to convince you to spend your money on their stuff. Some are better/worse than others, but it's all about selling product. Everything is "the best", the "most durable", and "the easiest to use"; I'm still waiting for somebody to advertise some "mediocre wax for beater trucks" ;)
 
Yep, I agree with Accumulator, especially with the melting point issue. It is one of the biggest misconceptions in the brains of various people that "a wax with a low melting point, will literally melt off the car". BS. As nature demonstrates so wisely, bonded wax just stays on the fruits, leaves and no temperature will melt them away. Similarly a bonded layer of wax won't *melt* off.



Melting point count when you factor easy application/spreadability (pastes). In fact, Dow Corning specifies the low melting point (lower than carnauba) of their newest synthetic wax as one of its biggest benefits.
 
I was not using the temp as a real melting like a candle and rolling off the car..was just showing as wax gets warm it is softer..so with cold it should get harder...



that was my point..in colder weather a high carnauba wax should give a nice durable hardshell.



my real peeve was what the collinite people tell you..looking at different forums and people saying what collinite told them.....people on other forums were told 915 was thier best most durable wax as claimed on the site...and some would reply they were told double coat and fleetwax was.



even in this post here there are 2 stories...and look thru the archives...you see flip flop stories...to me that means their info is what ever they feel like saying at the time of the call..



AL
 
AL-53 said:
I was not using the temp as a real melting like a candle and rolling off the car..was just showing as wax gets warm it is softer..so with cold it should get harder...



that was my point..in colder weather a high carnauba wax should give a nice durable hardshell.



my real peeve was what the collinite people tell you..looking at different forums and people saying what collinite told them.....people on other forums were told 915 was thier best most durable wax as claimed on the site...and some would reply they were told double coat and fleetwax was.



even in this post here there are 2 stories...and look thru the archives...you see flip flop stories...to me that means their info is what ever they feel like saying at the time of the call..



AL
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this is precisely why (IMO) Collinite 845 worked better for me in winter vs summer. As the wax gets warmer and softer more stuff sticks in it. Generally I get about 1 1/2 to 2 months more out of 845 in the winter. Even in the winter months without frequent washings 845 will hold dirt and road salt.
 
wannafbody said:
this is precisely why (IMO) Collinite 845 worked better for me in winter vs summer. As the wax gets warmer and softer more stuff sticks in it. Generally I get about 1 1/2 to 2 months more out of 845 in the winter. Even in the winter months without frequent washings 845 will hold dirt and road salt.
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I'm somewhat confused with this whole Collinite 845 thing because almost everyone talks about the carnauba in it, but I can't find anywhere where it says that there is any in it. The word carnauba is not mentioned on the bottle or on their website, so is it in there or not?
 
This thread is why I joined the forum. Must prepare the beast for winter, and have been looking forward to trying 476s or 915. Maybe I'll just stay with the Klasse twins and Souveran and hope for the best until spring. Which Collinite is most durable? The world may never know.
 
AL-53- Hope you didn't take my last post a :argue or anything. I really would be interested to hear how the 915 and 476S compare, not having tried the 915. I certainly agree that Collinite oughta get their stories straight or at least quit contradicting themselves. But then some of the stuff that Meguiar's customer service reps have told me had Mike P. all :hairpull so I guess it's not just Collinite.



Sedan Man- Welcome to Autopia! Heh heh, for the thread that prompted you to join, this one has its share of :confused: :nixweiss :confused: huh?



I can say with complete certainty that 746S lasts longer than 845 does *for me*. Neither last as long as multiple (at least 4) layers of KSG (again, *for me*). I wouldn't top with Souveran in your case, much as I do like Souveran, as it won't last that long and I'd rather not have degraded Souveran* on my KSG. Better, IMO, to just add more layers of KSG as yoru situation permits. The added appearance benefit of Souveran isn't long-lasting enough for winter applications.



* I've often wondered about what's left on the paint after LSPs degrade, especially natural waxes (as opposed to sealants).
 
Did four layers of KSG with proper cure in mid August. Souveran last month. Just want to add a belt to the suspenders in case things get nasty this winter. Was hoping to avoid another four day session as location is a practical issue here in the city. Thanks for the welcome I am accustomed to being confused. The passion of our quest is what attracts me (that and the blondes on another site).
 
Accumulator said:
Some people here think they find functional differences between the 915 and the other Collinite pastes, and I don't want to :nono them. But the guys at Collinite actually joke about how they only sell it because some people won't buy an inexpensive wax...they say they don't use it on their own cars and they get whichever they want for free ;)
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They told me the same thing when I called. I bought it anway ( used it once )

Its awesome like all their products. One of my favorite Collinite products is the 73SS

its cleans, glazes and waxes all at once( hides a lot of swirls ). Its a great one step if you like wax.

The 476S is a pisser,you can't get it off even if you wanted too.



They actually told me not to buy the 915 and just get the 476S. They said the 915 is for Zymol lovers who can't bring themselves to buy a cheap wax.
 
Accumulator said:
AL-53- Hope you didn't take my last post a :argue or anything. I really would be interested to hear how the 915 and 476S compare, not having tried the 915. I certainly agree that Collinite oughta get their stories straight or at least quit contradicting themselves. But then some of the stuff that Meguiar's customer service reps have told me had Mike P. all :hairpull so I guess it's not just Collinite.
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Accumulator..that never even entered my mind..lol....I was hoping you seen what my point was...it was not which wax was better ..but what the reps tell you...and then tell others...

and your incident with Meg's is like mine sorta...



I quess is it buisness....push the higher profit product...they also use hyperbole in their ads....



Marque D'Elegance (No. 915)



For the BEST in wax endurance, Marque d'Elegance is the product to have. Car enthusiasts demand a wax that is proven to protect in the most demanding environments, rain or shine, on track or on the street. They have discovered that Collinite Marque d'Elegance gives their valuable automotive investments a blinding, lasting shine because its formulated from the highest-ever concentration of pure Carnauba waxes. And no abrasives means all Collinite waxes are absolutely clear coat safe. It doesn't get any better!







when you see ..BEST in endurance...you would think it was their most durable...best protecting....



Oh well....no sleep lost here...just like straight info..



AL
 
Sedan Man said:
..Thanks for the welcome I am accustomed to being confused..
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Heh heh then you oughta feel right at home here when we get into some of our more, uhm, bizarre discussions of detailing minutia ;)



AL53- Cool, I'm trying to be clearer about when I am/am not :argue or :nono I know how I can come across when I get up on my soapbox. I agree that they (all these companies) oughta at least get their stories straight internally so all their advertising [stuff] is in agreement.



dogma- Sounds like you and I spoke with the same guy at Collinite. That "Zymol" reference sounds familiar.
 
Padron said:
Is there any better place I should look to get this than here:



http://www.mactecllc.com/collinite.asp



They have free shipping.



Thanks!
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Just got my #885 Fleetwax from MacTec, they sent it to me Priority Mail 2 day and shipping was free...Saturday delivery rocks!! They paid over $6.00 to ship it to me..



Funny, I pictured the wax as being very hard to work with, but it actually looks like it will spread quite nicely.. :waxing:



I know where I'll be buying Collinite from now on. Thanks!!
 
I recieved my 885 Fleetwax/456s and applied 2 coats over the weekend to my truck, topping the 3 coats of 845 already on there, which was applied over the 3 coats of DG 105! The 845 has been on for 2 weeks and has been washed once and been thru several light rains. Applying the 885 you could actually see the difference in gloss and depth, being much better with the 885. I'm still not sure what is what but I'm loving the Collinite products. It's nice to have a 1 step 8 hours between coats sealant. And it smells like a sealant not like a fruit drink! I really liked the DG stuff but it took much longer to apply with the bonder and minimum 12 hours between coats.
 
Guy said:
I really liked the DG stuff but it took much longer to apply with the bonder and minimum 12 hours between coats.
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Well with a sealant you have to wait for it to crosslink..cure.....and bond to the paint...



with a wax you just have to wait for the carriers to flash..shorter wait time...wax just basicly floats on the sealant....no real crosslinking and cureing....



Al
 
Theoretically yes, but polymer blends - just as any Collinite - cure just as sealants do (because of the similar active ingredients) and they in fact bond to the surface.



The other benefit is that they provide a better physical protective barrier against bird bombs and acidic stuff than sealants alone.
 
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