Collinite 845IW

gusbubba said:
That's the point I was trying to make.

My obviously false assumption was that solvents were synonymous w/ cleaners as used here, and that to layer a product it had to be solvent free.

However , Webster defines 'solvent' as "that which dissolves or can dissolve" ; that would include water.

So , 'solvent' is still a broad term , but for my edification on this issue it doesn't neccessarily mean 'cleaner'.



Clear as mud , now.

Thanks , guys.

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Solvents are used to keep the wax dissolved in solution in the bottle. They evaporate once the wax is applied to a surface depositing and leaving the wax, polymers, etc. behind. Solvents can be chosen to impart a cleaning ability, but just because it contains solvents doesn't mean it will be a true "cleaner wax".
 
chml17l said:
Solvents are used to keep the wax dissolved in solution in the bottle. They evaporate once the wax is applied to a surface depositing and leaving the wax, polymers, etc. behind. Solvents can be chosen to impart a cleaning ability, but just because it contains solvents doesn't mean it will be a true "cleaner wax".
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Thanks for the feedback. That helps a good bit.

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I discovered this stuff right here, on the Autopia forums in Feb/March when I got my new car.



I wanted a durable carnuba that looked great on black.



After I used it, I posted some pics in this thread:



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56505



My bottle is pretty runny all the time, but it's also a million degrees here all the time, so I am not sure if I have new or old, as I bought online.



I love this stuff.
 
Got my bottle of 845 and tin of 476 straight from Collinite, the 845 is pretty thin liquid after shaking it, there no batch number or manufacturing dates to mark the lots .



Tested a panel on a car and all looks good, I even performed a towel saturation test by rubbing the towel over applied wax areas and the towel get a nice wax like build up unlike cheap cleaner based type waxes which forms a powder build up.



Anyone have any more pics or results with Collinite waxes ? I'am thinking of becoming a Collinite distributor and want to know more about Autopians' opinions before I spend the big bucks.
 
Do a search, there are a ton of pics. I have seen no negatives posted about 845, some say the pastes can be finicky to remove, but nothing extreme. I'm happy with 845, like it better than my Pinnacle sig series.
 
I just purchased a new bottle of IW today and I am going to compare it to the older version and see if VOC regs changed anything in the performance. Just from looking and smelling nothing seems to have changed.
 
I used 845IW on my dad's '98 Corolla, the paint had swirls from snow brush bristles.



This is the first detail that I'am using Collinte's 845IW, I find the liquid wax very thin and that it splatters alot when using a PC at 5 setting with a flat pad. Removing it is more difficult than with most liquid wax/sealants with a MF, but you can see and feel the product build up like a good wax should, but it is not as slick as liquid NXT Tech Wax.



I attacked it with Meg's #83 on a white polishing pad with 2-3 passes and Presta Aurora 3000 Glaze with white pad for the final glaze and finally one coat all around and two coats on the hood, roof and truck lid.



As of today, I will become a Collinite reseller for eastern Canada, so I got a ton of 845IW and 476S sitting around here !



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One thing I've noticed with 845 lately is that the super tight beading isn't holding up.

I notice it start to dissipate within 1 month. (Maybe something to look for in the old/new comparison?)

There's still great shine and slickness ; rain still rolls right off , but I'm not getting the same tight

consistent bead pattern.

My concern is with their durability claims of 5-6 months.

If the beading is breaking up within 4 weeks , how long is the total coverage realistically expected to last ?

I guess this goes back to the old argument around here of beading=protection.



Variables: More often I use S&W to clean my vehicle than bucket wash.....Don't know if the cleaners in S&W may be breaking down the coverage quicker.

Also , I'm to understand that 845 is some sort of carnuba/polymer hybrid. Which may lend to the assumption that after the carnuba has followed it's usual breakdown trajectory , you're still getting protection from the polymer...which would sheet rather than bead.



Don't know if any of this sounds crazy or naive to anyone else , but observations or info. are greatly welcome.

(Sorry for the length of this stupidity , by the way).
 
EdLancer said:
I used 845IW on my dad's '98 Corolla, the paint had swirls from snow brush bristles.



This is the first detail that I'am using Collinte's 845IW, I find the liquid wax very thin and that it splatters alot when using a PC at 5 setting with a flat pad. Removing it is more difficult than with most liquid wax/sealants with a MF, but you can see and fell the product build up like a good wax should, but it is not as slick as liquid NXT Tech Wax.
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Well this has me concerned about VOC reformulations again. My non VOC compliant Insulator Wax is super slick and ridiculously easy to remove.
 
gusbubba said:
One thing I've noticed with 845 lately is that the super tight beading isn't holding up.

I notice it start to dissipate within 1 month. (Maybe something to look for in the old/new comparison?)

There's still great shine and slickness ; rain still rolls right off , but I'm not getting the same tight

consistent bead pattern.

My concern is with their durability claims of 5-6 months.

If the beading is breaking up within 4 weeks , how long is the total coverage realistically expected to last ?

I guess this goes back to the old argument around here of beading=protection.



Variables: More often I use S&W to clean my vehicle than bucket wash.....Don't know if the cleaners in S&W may be breaking down the coverage quicker.

Also , I'm to understand that 845 is some sort of carnuba/polymer hybrid. Which may lend to the assumption that after the carnuba has followed it's usual breakdown trajectory , you're still getting protection from the polymer...which would sheet rather than bead.



Don't know if any of this sounds crazy or naive to anyone else , but observations or info. are greatly welcome.

(Sorry for the length of this stupidity , by the way).
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This concerns me too. The older IW is the longest lasting product I have used. I will have to get moving on my comparison between the new and old versions. I think I will do it tomorrow. I will use the hood as a test bed. I will clay it, AIO than top with IW. One side with the new version and the other side with the old.
 
Is there a way to tell which batch or bottle has the new VOC formulation ?



There is no printed control number on the bottle.



There was a guy here on Autopia who visited Collinites plant, how huge is their operation ?



Looks like its a old fashioned company thats reluctant to change type of operation, hardly any marketing, no slick packaging, no pretty smell in their products except for 915.
 
EdLancer said:
Is there a way to tell which batch or bottle has the new VOC formulation ?



There is no printed control number on the bottle.



There was a guy here on Autopia who visited Collinites plant, how huge is their operation ?



Looks like its a old fashioned company thats reluctant to change type of operation, hardly any marketing, no slick packaging, no pretty smell in their products except for 915.
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Well the new stuff has been in production since January 1, 2005. So if you just ordered from Collinite it's probably safe to assume you have the new stuff. I just purchased a bottle from Carquest and the guy said it just came in last week so I assume it's the new stuff. I have 2 bottles I purchased last summer so I know it's the old product. I will call Collinite Customer Service tomorrow and confirm.
 
I got my bottle in from pakshak saturday. Used it on two different vehicles and was impressed. It goes on easy and comes off easy. The only thing I don't like is I had to use a lot of product on each car. Maybe my MF applicator sponge just soaks up too much? Any ideas?





I hope it lasts as long as people are saying!
 
I just did a Honda Mini-Van and used about 3/4 of an ounce for the whole van. I used a high density foam applicator, doesn't take much to prime them and I like the thin application you can achieve.
 
emobob said:
I got my bottle in from pakshak saturday. Used it on two different vehicles and was impressed. It goes on easy and comes off easy. The only thing I don't like is I had to use a lot of product on each car. Maybe my MF applicator sponge just soaks up too much? Any ideas?





I hope it lasts as long as people are saying!
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Are you applying the product by hand ? because a little goes a long way, normally it takes about 5/8" of product from the stock bottle to do one full size car with a PC, so a bottle should do 16-20 applications.
 
5/8" out of the bottle sounds like a lot to me, maybe I'm just too used to klasse where you use an almost invisible amount.





I was applying it by hand. I will try to keep the application thinner next time, who knows. I'm pleased with the product overall though.
 
You literally apply 845 drops at a time.

Once the pad is primed , 4 small drops will cover up to two panels easily.



(By the way , I'm assuming application by PC....I've never applied by hand).
 
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