Cobalt SS vs. WRX?? Which one to buy

TH0001 said:
The Cobalt SS destroyed (3 seconds or more) the G37...
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I would consider the G37 more of a Luxury sport, Like the M3 and such. I would much prefer a G37 over a cobalt SS, it is a much much nicer vehicle.



Again you are comparing Apples to Oranges.
 
critical_level2 said:
I would consider the G37 more of a Luxury sport, Like the M3 and such. I would much prefer a G37 over a cobalt SS, it is a much much nicer vehicle.



Again you are comparing Apples to Oranges.
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Not comparing them, just answering the question. I would MUCH rather have a G35/7 is far out of my price range.
 
Picus said:
So what you're saying is a bunch of cobalt ss's are going to start trying to race me? :D
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Kevin, I thought you where a bimmer guy? I woud love a 335i, but again far out of my range, I'm not a baller :(



A Cobalt SS racing a G37/335i is the same as a Corvette guy racing a Ferrari. Sure the Corvette might win (Z06) but... The Ferrari guy still has a Ferrari ;)
 
SuperBuick said:
The opinions about american cars expressed by some in this thread are ridiculous. Stop molesting dashboards and start driving!



Supposedly the WRX has crappy paint.....if we use the logic of the dashboard molesters, then the entire car is crap, right? Better call the WRC and let them know....



Wake up.
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My point again Im not a Subie guy at all but if I had to choose Foreign vs domstic ANYTHING The choice is SIMPLE. Domestic vehicles are 10 year 100,000 mile cars and thats all. They have an extremely high turnover rate, They litter the junk yards, They keep repair shops in business. Thats just the truth ! Go to your local junk yard and look for yourself How many Cavilier's do you see, Beretta's, Corsica's, The focus, Transam's, Impalla's, S10's, Buick's, Oldsmobiles, Regal's, Fords, Just about the whole domestic line can be found their. For 2 reasons. They dont last, and because they need parts for the ones still running that continue to break down. As you walked tough that junkyard how many Hondas did you see ? how about VWs. The choice is simple, do you want a car that you'll need to put tons of cash in when it ages ? if so just spend it now and buy the 3 series.



And bad paint doesnt warrant junk yard. His perfession is fixing bad paint. So how is this usefull ?
 
^ i totally agree, but have to disagree on one point



VWs are notorious for electrical gremlins. so that does keep them somewhat unreliable.



Why pay for something of lesser quality, when the same amount of money will get you something better?
 
MASKDMARVL said:
My point again Im not a Subie guy at all but if I had to choose Foreign vs domstic ANYTHING The choice is SIMPLE. Domestic vehicles are 10 year 100,000 mile cars and thats all. They have an extremely high turnover rate, They litter the junk yards, They keep repair shops in business. Thats just the truth ! Go to your local junk yard and look for yourself How many Cavilier's do you see, Beretta's, Corsica's, The focus, Transam's, Impalla's, S10's, Buick's, Oldsmobiles, Regal's, Fords, Just about the whole domestic line can be found their. For 2 reasons. They dont last, and because they need parts for the ones still running that continue to break down. As you walked tough that junkyard how many Hondas did you see ? how about VWs. The choice is simple, do you want a car that you'll need to put tons of cash in when it ages ? if so just spend it now and buy the 3 series.
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I have to disagree.



I am not "loyal" to any particular brand, I buy the car I want at the time I am looking, end of story.



Anyway, I can say without bias that my "American" cars have been more reliable, and had less costs with regards to ownership then the imports I have owned. Hell, my WRX with less then 7500 miles has had more issues already then my Focus with 110k.



Regarding your "evidence" of junk yards, thats a nearly bogus metric as its relative to local sales levels. Furthermore, imports cost more to repair and as a result many of them are diverted from junk yards and are immediately parted out as their parts are worth more.
 
MASKDMARVL said:
Domestic vehicles are 10 year 100,000 mile cars and thats all.
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sorry to bust your bubble but I have 5 domestic cars on my driveway

that are over 10 years old and well past 100,000



my 81 z28 is almost ready to turn 400,000, so....
 
TH0001 said:
Kevin, I thought you where a bimmer guy? I woud love a 335i, but again far out of my range, I'm not a baller :(



A Cobalt SS racing a G37/335i is the same as a Corvette guy racing a Ferrari. Sure the Corvette might win (Z06) but... The Ferrari guy still has a Ferrari ;)
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Ya, I have a 335i I was just thinking the new Cobalt might be the next "holy crap I'm 16 and have a super duper fast car so I will race everyone that isn't in a camry" kind of car. Not you, of course, but you know what I mean; it's a lot of car for a good price so you know some young guys are gonna..well, ya. :)



I'm selling my car if you want it, no swirls. :p



So, when do you drive them?
 
askjeffro said:
I have to disagree.



I am not "loyal" to any particular brand, I buy the car I want at the time I am looking, end of story.



Anyway, I can say without bias that my "American" cars have been more reliable, and had less costs with regards to ownership then the imports I have owned. Hell, my WRX with less then 7500 miles has had more issues already then my Focus with 110k.



Regarding your "evidence" of junk yards, thats a nearly bogus metric as its relative to local sales levels. Furthermore, imports cost more to repair and as a result many of them are diverted from junk yards and are immediately parted out as their parts are worth more.
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Agree on this.



When I lived in Chicago (when I was in high school I was a 'gear head' and we used to bone pick junkyards for parts for our cars) and the majority of the cars in the boneyard where late '70s domestic. But this was in 1996-98 so 1)in the late '70s domestics held a high market share 2)the cars where 16-20 years old 3) most people in the midwest drive domestic.



Three years ago I needed to get a new power seat track so I went to every junk yard around Orlando...



I would say that there where slightly more foriegn cars that where newer (lots of earlier 90's stuf). There where some domestic cars but most where as you said (late '80's Berettas, Sunbirds, mini-vans.



So in Orlando, where more people made the switch to Japanese cars eariler, the junkyard told a different story.
 
Picus said:
Ya, I have a 335i I was just thinking the new Cobalt might be the next "holy crap I'm 16 and have a super duper fast car so I will race everyone that isn't in a camry" kind of car. Not you, of course, but you know what I mean; it's a lot of car for a good price so you know some young guys are gonna..well, ya. :)



I'm selling my car if you want it, no swirls. :p



So, when do you drive them?
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If it is dark blue with red interior I'll take it (kind of like that lighter blue Testarossa you detailed). Also I don't care about swirls because I pay a neighbor hood 15 dollars a week to wash my cars so they are VERY swirled (also makes for great test beds for polishing ;)

One of the reasons I am considering the Cobalt is because I am hoping that the fact it is a domestic and not cool will keep those type of kids away. I mean its not cool guys, it IS a Cobalt.
 
TH0001 said:
If it is dark blue with red interior I'll take it (kind of like that lighter blue Testarossa you detailed). Also I don't care about swirls because I pay a neighbor hood 15 dollars a week to wash my cars so they are VERY swirled (also makes for great test beds for polishing ;)

One of the reasons I am considering the Cobalt is because I am hoping that the fact it is a domestic and not cool will keep those type of kids away. I mean its not cool guys, it IS a Cobalt.
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Haha. Funny guy. :p



Srsly though, that car will get you revved at non-stop. Well, it would here.
 
MASKDMARVL said:
My point again Im not a Subie guy at all but if I had to choose Foreign vs domstic ANYTHING The choice is SIMPLE. Domestic vehicles are 10 year 100,000 mile cars and thats all. They have an extremely high turnover rate, They litter the junk yards, They keep repair shops in business. Thats just the truth ! Go to your local junk yard and look for yourself How many Cavilier's do you see, Beretta's, Corsica's, The focus, Transam's, Impalla's, S10's, Buick's, Oldsmobiles, Regal's, Fords, Just about the whole domestic line can be found their. For 2 reasons. They dont last, and because they need parts for the ones still running that continue to break down. As you walked tough that junkyard how many Hondas did you see ? how about VWs. The choice is simple, do you want a car that you'll need to put tons of cash in when it ages ? if so just spend it now and buy the 3 series.
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If domestics suck so bad then why do you have a Mustang in your avatar? Let me guess, you must be in the 16-19 age range and grew up watching the Fast and the Furious line of movies.
 
MASKDMARVL said:
My point again Im not a Subie guy at all but if I had to choose Foreign vs domstic ANYTHING The choice is SIMPLE. Domestic vehicles are 10 year 100,000 mile cars and thats all. They have an extremely high turnover rate, They litter the junk yards, They keep repair shops in business. Thats just the truth ! Go to your local junk yard and look for yourself How many Cavilier's do you see, Beretta's, Corsica's, The focus, Transam's, Impalla's, S10's, Buick's, Oldsmobiles, Regal's, Fords, Just about the whole domestic line can be found their. For 2 reasons. They dont last, and because they need parts for the ones still running that continue to break down. As you walked tough that junkyard how many Hondas did you see ? how about VWs. The choice is simple, do you want a car that you'll need to put tons of cash in when it ages ? if so just spend it now and buy the 3 series.



And bad paint doesnt warrant junk yard. His perfession is fixing bad paint. So how is this usefull ?
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Unfortunately for you, one of my endurance racing teammates owns not one, not two, not three, but FOUR junkyards. There is absolutely no correlation between your "observations" and the truth. If anything they get more japanese cars because they rust out earlier (this according to him). Also, like Todd said, it is very demographically driven. In the northeast, folks tend to drive more imports, and as a result, you see more of those in junkyards. I just picked up a window switch for an Acura from him yesterday (for a friend).



Also, its the european cars that keep the shops in business. (tongue in cheek, many/most are very reliable) Our 2001 porsche has had, literally, 4x the repairs that our 2003 Jeep has had. The porsche has 35k miles, the Jeep 125k miles. So I guess, based on this TINY sample size, all porsches are crap, and Jeep is the best brand ever?



Being loyal to one type or brand of car is dumb, and so is generalizing that ALL of ANY type of car is/are better than ALL of another.



Bottom line is what was said earlier - the WRX and the Cobalt are BOTH great cars, and both have plusses, and minuses. Todd's job, as he knows, is to drive them and decide which set of positives better aligns with his taste. If you and others would totally ignore a car because it was American (or European, or Japanese), then you've just limited yourself based on foolish assumptions that are 100% incorrect.
 
RedlineIRL said:
If domestics suck so bad then why do you have a Mustang in your avatar? Let me guess, you must be in the 16-19 age range and grew up watching the Fast and the Furious line of movies.
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Actually 42 and I do enjoy the muscle cars. That happens to be Elenor. I can enjoy a 69 Camaro, 67 Mustang, Judge, even a Corvair ! How about that ? These cars are money pits, Hobbies. Not the fast and furious, but I grew up driving a 73 Chevelle to school. can you imagine that ? Im not even interested in persuading Todd on what to buy, but more into the arguement over dom vs imp. I just find it difficult to see the Cobalt any different than the Cavilier, Sunfire. Its GMs attempt at the youth market !
 
Todd im sorry for steering your thread. I did keep the debate within your lines Cobalt, or WRX. I hope it made for some interesting reading.
 
Cleaning Fool said:
The Cobalts value will drop like an anchor when you drive it off the lot. Subaru, easy choice really..
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So true. If I was to have a choice between only these two, it would be the Subaru. The resale and demand is very good for a used WRX.
 
I've only read the 1st and last page, but did anyone suggest the VW GTI/GLI (GLI is a Jetta body version of the GTI)? Or the Mitsu Evo?



All the previous comparo's I've read have said the Evo is much more fun to drive than the STi (let alone the regular WRX) - and the new Evo looks so much better than the new WRX
 
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