Coating Frenzy?

5starshine or PPS is a paint sealant, and a good one. This sealant have the best durability I have seen.
 
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Recently, I purchased one of the most popular coatings which I will call X and applied some to our daily driver; I did the hood/front bumper/back of mirrors and even the sunroof ( the product manufacture don’t recommend the product for glass, but I want to learn more about coatings and their performance) I was very surprise about the amount of product that was needed, very little went long ways; the process was very simple, and the product instructions were very clear; however, after I was done I was a little disappointed about two things,



1. That the surface didn’t had that wow shinny factor that I was expecting. 2. That the surface didn’t feel slick.



Since I'm new to the coatings and don't know much about them, I consulted with few of our coating's experts in here, and they explained to me a little more about the coatings, so I could have a better understanding, they mentioned that some coatings tended to shine more than others, and that the slickness can be obtained by applying a Spray Wax or Detailer. I don’t know yet about the durability, but will post in 30 days as a follow up.



So my question is;



From you guys experience, which coating provides that wow shinny look?



For the record, this post is not intended to bash any product at all, rather for me to learn more about this new technology.
 
Quenga said:
I dont think dealers will ever apply coatings. They are not idiot proof like waxes and sealants. There is a reason detailers exist.
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I run a dealer detail shop and plan on selling coating to customers both OC and 22PLE most likely, already have OC on hand :) So you might want to re think that statement, even though im prob 1 in a million as far a dealer detailers goes they might catch on and begin to offer these services and most likely will not do them correctly :(
 
Shane;



Can you please educate me how you tackle this service, is my understanding that it takes a great deal of preparations to properly prepare the surface for any coating; great deal of preparation equals time and at times lots of time to do this correctly, from what I've been told many car dealers only wash the car through the machine, slap some spray wax and some sling tire shine, a full tank of gas and on their way, they go?



So I'm curious about the time and cost for for any dealership to provide this service?
 


I have only used OG (Pro) & CQuartz (regular).



As far as the initial looks I would say that CQ looked better and had a very slight darkening effect on the car I used it on. Its my wife's car (Platinum Gray Metallic - Dark Gray). OG seemed to simply seal in the look that I had achieved with my polishing on the Black truck I applied it to.



In terms of slickness CQ was slicker when 1st applied but it is starting to fall off as I near the 2 year mark. I expected this though as it is rated @ 2 years. The OG still looks and feels like the day I applied it. It is not as slick but using a QD as a drying aid or washing with ONRWW helps.





I now view CQ as more of a long life sealant / coating Hybrid. It is living up to it claims and will easily last the 2 years claimed. It is so nice I am considering getting CQF and re-doing the vehicle this spring. But it is not as durable as OG. Based on tests I have viewed and my current experience with it, I fully expect it to last 4 years or more. The only issue being if/when it get some minor marring or swirls I will most likely polish it out and reapply. So I am not sure if the 4 years of durability will really matter.





I know Chad (Rasky) has used and is testing a few of these coating and will have more info.



 
Juan@Turbo Wax said:
Back to this thread :eyebrows:



Recently, I purchased one of the most popular coatings which I will call X and applied some to our daily driver; I did the hood/front bumper/back of mirrors and even the sunroof ( the product manufacture don’t recommend the product for glass, but I want to learn more about coatings and their performance) I was very surprise about the amount of product that was needed, very little went long ways; the process was very simple, and the product instructions were very clear; however, after I was done I was a little disappointed about two things,



1. That the surface didn’t had that wow shinny factor that I was expecting. 2. That the surface didn’t feel slick.



Since I'm new to the coatings and don't know much about them, I consulted with few of our coating's experts in here, and they explained to me a little more about the coatings, so I could have a better understanding, they mentioned that some coatings tended to shine more than others, and that the slickness can be obtained by applying a Spray Wax or Detailer. I don’t know yet about the durability, but will post in 30 days as a follow up.



So my question is;



From you guys experience, which coating provides that wow shinny look?



For the record, this post is not intended to bash any product at all, rather for me to learn more about this new technology.
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1. Personally, I think shine and gloss are objective and I don't believe one can visually see an absolute difference between products when applied to the same paint. What you can see with certainty is a difference in darkening/richening of the paint. I feel this darkening effect is what adds depth and wetness to the paint, much like a pooling of water would do on the paint.



2. Coatings have never been slick like waxes or sealants...Wolf's Hard Body would be the exception to that though.





Also, and maybe Ron Ketcham can correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but it's my understanding that car manufactures tell the paint manufactures what attributes are most important to them in their paint system (Gloss, scratch resistance, stone chip resistance, texture...). I believe its a balancing act in that to have higher quality in one attribute, you may have to give up a little on another (I'm pretty sure I read this on some paint website but again, Ron could probably confirm if this is true). The point in the above is that applying a coating to two different cars could yield different outcomes, simply because some cars paints look glossier than other regardless of what product is applied to it. Say I apply product X to a nice Audi or Mercedes and think it looks great, you could apply the same products to a Chrysler and think it sucks....
 
RaskyR1 said:
but it's my understanding that car manufactures tell the paint manufactures what attributes are most important to them in their paint system (Gloss, scratch resistance, stone chip resistance, texture...). I believe its a balancing act in that to have higher quality in one attribute, you may have to give up a little on another
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I think you might have neglected a component, price. The domestics have proven time and time again, they don't really care to spend a lot on the paint. There are german cars rolling around with 20 year old paint that looks better than one year old paint on domestics.
 
Dan said:
I think you might have neglected a component, price. The domestics have proven time and time again, they don't really care to spend a lot on the paint. There are german cars rolling around with 20 year old paint that looks better than one year old paint on domestics.
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Yeah, among a few other things I'm sure, which is where the "..." Came in :D





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RaskyR1 said:
1. Personally, I think shine and gloss are objective and I don't believe one can visually see an absolute difference between products when applied to the same paint. What you can see with certainty is a difference in darkening/richening of the paint. I feel this darkening effect is what adds depth and wetness to the paint, much like a pooling of water would do on the paint.
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Gloss and haze are genuine parameters which one can measure with suitable equipment. Manufacturers will often do these tests and link them with the visual tests. Any time I have done this I would say that it is not difficult to see the difference between certain products, in agreement with the gloss measurements.



2. Coatings have never been slick like waxes or sealants...Wolf's Hard Body would be the exception to that though.
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A lot of that is going to come down to just how you define what is a 'coating'! From what limited technical and safety info Wolfs will provide, HB is different from many of the other, so-called, coatings on the market.
 
PiPUK said:
Gloss and haze are genuine parameters which one can measure with suitable equipment. Manufacturers will often do these tests and link them with the visual tests. Any time I have done this I would say that it is not difficult to see the difference between certain products, in agreement with the gloss measurements.







A lot of that is going to come down to just how you define what is a 'coating'! From what limited technical and safety info Wolfs will provide, HB is different from many of the other, so-called, coatings on the market.
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I think you're taking this out of context a little...



So without gloss reading equipment you can say with certainty that you could differentiate the difference between two products, whether wax, sealant, or coating on equally well prepped panels (painted car panels)? The difference is so minimal that the answer you get will vary between individuals. Even I can see the difference between matte and gloss paint, but we are talking about such a minute difference that it is not absolute when left to the naked eye, especially when there is a large price tag and exaggerated marketing hype behind a product, which we all know can be a factor when it comes to the level of gloss one sees.





I was only basing that statement on current products I've used which are marketed as coatings. ;)
 
RaskyR1 said:
I think you're taking this out of context a little...



So without gloss reading equipment you can say with certainty that you could differentiate the difference between two products, whether wax, sealant, or coating on equally well prepped panels (painted car panels)? The difference is so minimal that the answer you get will vary between individuals. Even I can see the difference between matte and gloss paint, but we are talking about such a minute difference that it is not absolute when left to the naked eye, especially when there is a large price tag and exaggerated marketing hype behind a product, which we all know can be a factor when it comes to the level of gloss one sees.





I was only basing that statement on current products I've used which are marketed as coatings. ;)
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I wasn't for a moment suggesting you could definitely tell the difference between any products, but you will be able to tell between some because some will definitely have notably higher gloss and lower haze than others. The point I was making is that there are measurable difference between many products and this will definitely be visible when the differences are adequately large.



Of course you are right about the hype, that was exactly what I was alluding to in the latter comment ;)
 
RaskyR1 said:
1. Personally, I think shine and gloss are objective and I don't believe one can visually see an absolute difference between products when applied to the same paint. What you can see with certainty is a difference in darkening/richening of the paint. I feel this darkening effect is what adds depth and wetness to the paint, much like a pooling of water would do on the paint.



2. Coatings have never been slick like waxes or sealants...Wolf's Hard Body would be the exception to that though.





Also, and maybe Ron Ketcham can correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but it's my understanding that car manufactures tell the paint manufactures what attributes are most important to them in their paint system (Gloss, scratch resistance, stone chip resistance, texture...). I believe its a balancing act in that to have higher quality in one attribute, you may have to give up a little on another (I'm pretty sure I read this on some paint website but again, Ron could probably confirm if this is true). The point in the above is that applying a coating to two different cars could yield different outcomes, simply because some cars paints look glossier than other regardless of what product is applied to it. Say I apply product X to a nice Audi or Mercedes and think it looks great, you could apply the same products to a Chrysler and think it sucks....
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and some of the reviews on hardbody haven't looked very good to me... could be user error, but OC all seems to be very good vs. them.
 
This thread is older, and while I myself have looked for something with a bit more of a glassy appearance such as 22PLE, I think everyone agrees and should keep in mind that OC RULES hands down in the durability department... it's as simple as that. Other bottles might be more pretty, other products might be just as hard or even a bit harder, but if you want a lasting coating that you really don't have to mess with much... OC is going to be the one to use. Now if you want to get into looks, feel, etc etc then look at other areas. Also keep in mind that while others might indeed look better. I have read gloss tests taken where OC was compared to Zaino, BFWD, and some other popular sealants and the gloss was better... this was all taken by a gloss o' meter lol so it's not a human eye test that can be flawed or where opinion will differ.



Ultimately I now have over 13k on my subaru which is know to have some of the worst and most thin paint out there. So far knock on wood I do not have the typical issues I have had and have seen on other subarus of stand blasting and even rock chips.
 
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