Cleaning fuzzy/cloth window seals? Help! (+1st post intro of me)

Rento_VW

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I'll start off with a brief introduction of me since this is my first post. If you want to go onto my little question/problem just read below the wavy line. Also, all pictures, click to make bigger, which isn't too big, 800x600, around there.



Well, I recently got a Volkswagen Corrado, it's a 1993 SLC model with only a very small 38,070 original miles. It is my first car and VW, also my dream car. Bought it in Colorado, drove it to Flagstaff, AZ and then put it on a flat bed and drove it back home to Riverside, CA.



Really nice car, I really do love owning the car as it's rare and just performs so nice. Was a car ahead of it's time as it does outperform many cars today, almost 15 years later. Even has more luxuries than my mother's Cadillac haha.



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Anywho... Onto the question. When we bought the car it had a few imperfections, nothing really big. However, this one imperfection has to do with the inner window seal. It's got like a "dusty" and faded or oxidized look to it. It really bugs me a lot when you stare into it's mint leather interior shown below and then you see a white border of this.... stuff. It just distracts the focus of attention.







So, I was wondering... Is there anything I can do other than replace the seals that are literally and virtually non-existent in today's market for my car. I've been told a few things to tryout, most that don't sound right or don't seem to be for the right application as mine.



I was told to use rubbing alcohol, which sounds like it would crack and dry up the soft fuzzy material laid onto the rubber seal. I was also told to use Bondo Black or something which I'm not too sure about as that sounds just like the other blackening products out there such as: Mother's Back to Black which doesn't sound like it would work as it's made for plastic and the liquid is white to begin with; followed by Einszett Gummi Pflege which too is made for rubber; lastly, I thought of at one point and was also told to try using a cloth dye which wouldn't work since that has to be treated in boiling hot water, which would crack it, and I don't want to remove it. There was one instance I thought of Kiwi shoe dye, but that's for leather... But not sure of the outcome and too scared to face the outcome.



Here are pics of the seals, it has done it on both sides and I would like to fix it... It just annoys me enough to make me go crazy. Any ideas?



 
Rento_VW said:
.. I recently got a Volkswagen Corrado, it's a 1993 SLC model with only a very small 38,070 original miles. It is my first car and VW, also my dream car...



Welcome to Autopia!



Cool car, what a nice find :xyxthumbs



I don't have a good answer for you, but a few sorta-random thoughts follow, perhaps something will be of use:



I bet you *can* find replacements. There are VW specialty catalogs/sources and dealerships might even be able to source them. That'd be my first try.



They are a fuzzy fabric right (not merely a textured rubber)? The following ideas are based on that assumption.



I wouldn't dye them, I think that'd be a bad idea in the long run.



Alcohol might clean them up a bit, but yeah, I agree about the drying effect.



Using the Gummi Pfledge stuff would probably work OK, but it'd also leave at least a little residue on the glass; I've tested various manufacturers' stuff and they all left at least a *little*, but not always enough to worry about. I prefer the Wurth brand stuff in this regard over the 1Z.



Wurth's Rubber Care might work too, but it's an aerosol (spray it on a sway/cloth and use that to apply, the spray is too messy). It dries pretty "clean". But I dunno just how well it'd work for this application :nixweiss



Wonder what the various VW-centric internet forums could contribute to this :think: This is something I'd approach slowly and carefully without doing anything irreperable. At least the Gummi stuff could just be washed off if it doesn't work.



I *kinda* get the feeling that the whitish oxidation is there to stay and that you oughta try to find new pieces..sorry I'm not more optimistic :o
 
Hmmm... Yeah, I actually wnet to a few VW sites before hand to ask, I practically live on them anyway.



They don't reproduce these window seals anymore, only way to get them is off someone who was lucky enough to pick up a pair. They new go for about a grand for a set if you can find someone who even wants to part w/ them.



So yeah, replacing them isn't a choice even if I wanted it to be.



Or... I could try and find someone parting a Corrado and take those seals. Other than that, I guess there's really nothing I could do...



I was told that the Gummi Pflege wouldn't work right and the residue wouldn't be justifiable.



Hmmm... Well, thanks. Maybe someone else has an idea?
 
I have had the same problem with an old VW and I had just left them.

Here's an idea... Find some at a junk yard and try a few different things to clean the junk seals up. Experiment! When you find something that works, do your existing seals and let us know the results! :)
 
todd@bsaw said:
I have had the same problem with an old VW and I had just left them.

Here's an idea... Find some at a junk yard and try a few different things to clean the junk seals up. Experiment! When you find something that works, do your existing seals and let us know the results! :)



Yes I was told to try that less than half an hour ago, might have to do that...



Thanks.
 
Rento_VW- I do sympathize with you on this; my 18K mile '85 Jag also needs some things that simply aren't available any more. If (I oughta say "when") you find a good solution, I hope you post back here about it.
 
I have heard that material referred to as "moleskin".



Some 7th gen Accords were notorious for chewing up tint unless this material was installed.. Some window tint shops knew about this material and would install it for am extra charge. Maybe check with a few top notch tint shops and/or start calling some junk yards
 
Uhhh. Would like to have nothing else installed, however, i'll keep it in mind.



Searched around, it looks like an adhesive that goes onto rubber. Wouldn't work as it probably need a clean flat surface. Judging by the looks of it, I pretty much have "moleskin" if you were to call it that, it's just that it's from the factory and consists of the whole seal.



Also, I was told to never EVER take it off as I'll never get another piece or the same piece to go back on correctly. With that said... I'll either use some sort of dye pen or some sort of liquid product.
 
Rento_VW said:
..............I'll think I might try this, or see if Wal Mart has something like it..



Amazon.com: Yasutomo FabricMate Dye Markers Black (Pack of 6): Office Products



Probably the better than using a sharpie as a sharpie has like a purple tint to it.
You're right about the purple tint from a sharpie. If you try a dye like you mentioned above, I'd only do an inch or two at first. Let it dry and then take it out in the sun for a good look and also test it for color fastness. You don't want to use something that will eventually bleed over the rest of your car after a wash or some heavy rain.



You might be surprised how well some dyes actually work, although I'm not familiar with the trim you're having problems with. I like the idea someone else had, if you can find a similar material on a more common car get some from a junkyard and practice on that first. You can even leave it out in the weather for a while and make sure it doesn't turn a funky color or run when exposed to the elements.



FWIW, Kiwi leather dye will work on stuff other than leather. I have used the black and brown liquid to mix up custom color stains for use on small areas of wood trim. Not saying it'd work on your trim, and I can't speak for the longevity since I always topped it with a finish.



Another product I'd seriously consider is Forever Black used with a small artist brush. Anything that will dye plastic will dye your cloth or your fuzzy rubber, the only question is will it leave the fuzz stiff or not.



With all of the above being said, if your car is as rare as it sounds, and the trim almost impossible to find, I'd be very cautious using a dye. And then I'd only use it after I tested it on some similar trim I found in a junkyard or a new piece of this moleskin if you can find some.



Good luck and keep us posted.
 
MrAP said:
I wonder if a steamer would help to "clean" it . . .



I'd be afraid to try that...I've damaged synthetic carpeting when I got too aggressive with the steamer and I dunno what "too aggressive" would be with regard to this material :think:

Eliot Ness said:
..the only question is will it leave the fuzz stiff or not.



Yeah, that's my concern too :nixweiss I agree with trying it on something similar first. And I'd sure like to hear about anything that works OK!
 
Alright yeah. Thanks guys, I wonder where I can buy the Forever Black at...



But yeah, I actually found a company that sells the seals. Pretty awesome. Actually, not really, they are straight from Germany so he said the shipping for 4-5 weeks is about $35 and 2-3 weeks is about $60. However, that's nothing in comparison to actually seals which cost $210 each side giving me a rounded off $500 receipt.



Than there is always the fact that, taking off an original seal will pretty much render it useless along with any other seal as another seal will never fit perfectly as the previous one.



Man, this is a hard thing to fix haha.
 
Rento_VW said:
.. I actually found a company that sells the seals. Pretty awesome. Actually, not really, they are straight from Germany so he said the shipping for 4-5 weeks is about $35 and 2-3 weeks is about $60. However, that's nothing in comparison to actually seals which cost $210 each side giving me a rounded off $500 receipt.



Than there is always the fact that, taking off an original seal will pretty much render it useless along with any other seal as another seal will never fit perfectly as the previous one...



I'd buy the replacement seals even if you just let 'em sit around for a while. I did that with some similar parts for the Jag and now (that they're no longer available) I'm glad I did. I finally ran into a guy who was able to install them, and they look as good as the OE ones ever did. Who knows how long you'll be able to find them? You'd hate to look back in a few years and think coulda/woulda/shoulda.
 
I'd second what Accumulator said... Get them new seals, if they're genuine replacement parts & you intend to keep this car for an extended period of time...



But first up I'd try gently cleaning them with some mild soapy water & a brush & see how they look. I'd even try the gummifledge on a small section after cleaning to see if it helps.



I too learnt this valuable lesson when restoring some cars a few years ago. Even today I will look at any interior or exterior part that is subject to wear & tear or doesn't hold up well after a couple of years in the sun here and purchase replacement parts for them while they're still available.



I've been told by various spare parts departments that most car manufacturers stop making & storing spare parts for their cars 8-10 years after they cease production, excepting MB which you can get parts for all their cars at any time! I don't know if this is true but I try to be more proactive & purchase these spare bits of trim etc... if I plan to keep the car for some time.



I can always sell them later if I sell the car or use them when it's required...



:think:
 
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