Chemical vapors

Lately I have been experiencing a sore throat and stomach pains. I feel it most when I'm using solvents and alkaline cleaners. I know my shop has little ventilation, just wondered if anyone has these problems. and what can be done about it. Gary
 
I haven't had problems while detailing, but when I've been doing other DIY stuff, I've had those types of symptoms. If you plan on using those often, buy a respirator - the kind with filters (you can find them starting around $25 at your local home improvement store). If you're just doing them once in a while, a portable fan might do the trick. If it's really bad and you use them a lot, you might want to consider an air filtration system, but that's expensive. Hope this helps!!!
 
What kind of solvents? It might be something else...allergies can sneak up on you as you get older, and you can get sensitized to stuff that didn't bother you before.
 
I know i have felt some symptoms and i try to be very careful. I think that it does get worse with age. I think we should start a sticky thread on proper chemical protection and health!



Personally in my starting years i would never wear gloves or breathing protection. I mean you can only wax so many cars without gloves, before it has to build up in your liver or kidneys. And how many times i would compound a car without even thinking about a mask.



I know that breathing Iso. is related to MS like symptoms. Some APC's really get to me, like Spray nine amd Slam.
 
Man, that doesn't sound good. I would definitely switch products or find a better way of ventilating your place.
 
turbomangt said:
Lately I have been experiencing a sore throat and stomach pains. I feel it most when I'm using solvents and alkaline cleaners. I know my shop has little ventilation, just wondered if anyone has these problems. and what can be done about it. Gary



Solvents can really cause problems for you if they commonly come into contact with your skin or are inhaled. I would suggest wearing adequate protective clothing (long sleeves and rubber gloves) and getting some better ventilation Gary - nothing is worth risking your health over.
 
If you want to know health hazards of any chemical you use, search the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) online and you will find the effects. More than likely, any charcoal filter respirator found at HD or Lowes will suffice for protection.
 
turbomangt said:
He would probably tell me to get out of the detailing business. if I'm going to die, I'd rather die doing something I love. Gary



Gary, I was fortunate enough to get to work with my father for seven years at our shop. Unfortunately he fell ill with pacreatic cancer in 2001 and eventually passed away in 2003. In looking for information on that particular form of cancer I saw a lot of research that was leaning towards the fact that many of the cancers we are experiencing today are "environmental" in nature. That meaning that the cancers were more than likely attributed (at least in part) to exposure to the environment we either work, live or play in. I would hate to think that I lost my Dad at 64 because he was in this shop all those years with me and the chemicals made him get sick. Of course there is no way I can know that for sure but it is at least possible that is partly the reason for his illness. It really makes you take a step back and analyze what is really important in life. My best advice is just to be very careful and take every precaution because your life is the most valuable thing you own.



I am now stepping down from my soapbox....... LOL.
 
You should look into a better ventilation system (especially if anyone other than you works there) I think OSHA had a recommened minimum vetilation rate, dependant upon what your using (I.e. solvents, adhesives, paint etc)

JonM
 
Any kind of safety precautions are important. I believe that strongly. And if you own your own business you should never disregard that.

Even if the MSDS sheets don't say anything who is to say that something doesn't come up 10 years later saying that it will kill you. My thought to it is that I will take the precautions while detailng that I can, but what about my full time job that I have now (maintenance for a school dist) with little control of. My office is in the basement right next to the boiler room and a transformer that is humming badly enough the computer tech is amazed that it doesn't effect the computer screen. There is no real venting in the room either. Or even my daily activities that I do repairing things and the chemicals I use. We have no MSDS sheets, I had to go buy safety glasses, gloves, and the sort. What about all the desiel fumes when I'm at the bus garage (what about the drivers). Some schools around here even shut off the bues while loading and unloading kids at the schools cause of fumes around the kids and to save on fuel costs. From experience , after five minutes of being around a running bus your eyes will water and burn you lungs will ache and can cough with some heavy breatheing problems. All that and the SCHOOL's do nothing about it. Maintenance and buses come last in the budget.



All I guess I'm really trying to say is that there are dangers all around us that can cause one thing or the other and we have no control over it. So if your in business for yourself do what you can to protect yourself because no one else will



this is my opinoin and I don't intend to start a fight or anything. I just feel that if you start to worry about to many things were will you stop and what can you really fix.



Chubs
 
I used to be a car washer at a dealership body shop, and I loved the job (making cars look better all day!) but I really hated some of the conditions I was faced with. When the techs would do compounding, or using a sander or Bondo, there would be tons of dust. I also had to change the fiberglass filters, which I didn't like at all. My boss never even told me about where I could get gloves or a particle mask to use while changing the filters. I had to ask him first.



When I'd spray down the floors at the end of the day, I would spray a heavy mist into the air through the whole shop, in an attempt to bring down some of the dust that was floating around in the air that I breathed all day at work. I would hardly ever sweep the floor since it would stir up so much dust. I would just pick up the big stuff, and spray the floor with the hose and squeegee the nasty water into the drains. I tried to do everything I could to improve the environment that I worked in.



On one particular occasion, my boss told me use Super Iron Out on a white Intrigue ( :rolleyes: ) to get some stubborn red dust off of the paint. After less than a minute, I had a severe bloody nose. The vapors must have been very strong, because my nose just kept flooding for several minutes, until I just took a small bucket and some Kleenex outside with me. I'm sure those vapors weren't very healthy for me to be breathing.



As much as I liked my job, I wasn't too fond of the conditions I was subjecting myself to. I'm still young, and I didn't want to cause myself some serious health problems just to make $7.50/hr.



So I guess I'm saying that you should take all the precautions you can to keep your working environment healthy. Your health should be top priority. If you need more equipment to make your working environment safer, it is worth the money in order to preserve your health in the long run.
 
As there are very few standards in the detailing industry, i also find that these companies also do not give proper health precautions. A few do, but it seems that if they give health precautions you might be scared away.



Look at this example, i have done it as i bet most have.

Start off with a tire scrub, spray some APC and scrub. Ever scene a spray bottle atomize APC into the air, check it out in sunlight.- lungs and skin



Fill up a wash bucket with a soap.-lungs and skin



Compound and polish and spur pads-lungs and maybe skin



Wax -skin



Interior glass cleaners, vinyl protectant, APC and other products. All in the air and on skin.



Engine cleaners, tar removers etc.



Most products have solvents, silicones, soaps, dust and other chemicals to make your job easier.



Alot of these chemicals have not being tested, long term. Or are not properly labeled.

I know it is close to impossible not to be in contact with alot of them but with proper measures, the risk can be reduced.
 
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