Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss

michakaveli said:
I tried the P&B Manufacturing website and got this...



Insta Finish



Same company just under a new name? Their interior scented products look interesting?



Citrus Air Freshener - PB_79 - Insta Finish



Can this be substituted for the cleaning solution when used with say, Bissell's Little Green Machine?
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not unless you wanna reak of citrus. i think they were trying to get the smell of citrus not the cleaning power of citrus
 
advs1 said:
not unless you wanna reak of citrus. i think they were trying to get the smell of citrus not the cleaning power of citrus
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Right... but the Bissell cleaning solution has a scent of it's own. Don't know how that react/interact with each other.... The scents that is



On another note, I'm glad I stumbled upon this thread as I was looking for a rim/wheel cleaner (P21S Gel) and will need to replenish my car wash soap (Griot's), but see that the CG Citrus Wash & Sweetness will do both.
 
Can the CG Citrus Wash & Gloss be used in place of Prep Sol or an ISP wipedown after polishing with Menzerna to remove the polishing oils left behind?



Garbud
 
garbud said:
Can the CG Citrus Wash & Gloss be used in place of Prep Sol or an ISP wipedown after polishing with Menzerna to remove the polishing oils left behind?



Garbud
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I usually do a CW&G wash after polishing, but I do follow that up with an IPA wipedown before glaze/lsp, so honestly I don't know if just CW&G will effectively remove Menz oils. Even if it does remove the menz oils, it leaves behind glossing and drying agents that then should be removed with an IPA wipedown prior to lsp/glaze.
 
Supe: in your opinion, would you think that after a normal CWG wash, then a layer of wax will be bad for bonding ? im a bit confused of thie part about the glossing agent getting in between the wax trying to bond onto the paint surface...hmm



if thats the case, then I guess CWG is good for weekly washes when maintenance just ends with the wash and probably a qd . but not good for a wash, then layer of wax on top.



correct me if im wrong...



thanks !
 
I haven't run into any bonding problems after a CG CW&G wash with Megs 21 and 26, Souveran, CG 50-50, Lusso Oro or a local product - Banana Wax from Majestic Solutions.
 
Yeah, I doubt the glossing/drying agents in the CW&G would really be a problem with bonding, I'm just silly that way; I always do an IPA wipedown before glaze/lsp. Not only do I do it to make sure all the oils/drying/glossing agents are gone, but also to make sure that *everything* is off the paint so I can do a very thorough final inspection with my various lights to make sure the paint is truly LSP/glaze ready.
 
Interesting. I've been told from certain sealant manufactures that soaps with gloss enhancers *can* affect bonding of sealants. That's why I've been using Meg's 00 or APC to wash after polishing when I finishing with a sealant.
 
buja said:
Supe: in your opinion, would you think that after a normal CWG wash, then a layer of wax will be bad for bonding ? im a bit confused of thie part about the glossing agent getting in between the wax trying to bond onto the paint surface...hmm



if thats the case, then I guess CWG is good for weekly washes when maintenance just ends with the wash and probably a qd . but not good for a wash, then layer of wax on top.



correct me if im wrong...



thanks !
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I have often wondered if this bonding concern is why Chemical Guys came out with Citrus Wash and Clear. It doesn't have the glossing agents in it like Citrus Wash and Gloss so it seems to be a more "pure" wash that doesn't leave anything behind. Is this a product you should use before applying an LSP??? I don't know. If not, why did Chemcial Guys come out with the product? I am just theorizing here, not putting forth opinions.
 
I don't understand why you would want to remove the Men. polishing oils. I use PO85RD, RMG to add oils prior to waxing. Thats what glazes and polishes Meguiars 3, 5, 7, 9 , Dansee sp, etc do. I guess if you are apply a acrylic sealant you might want to remove the oils. FK1 makes a product for cleaning paint prior to LSP. Or mix up some Dawn dishwash or Tide liquid and wash your car.
 
MDRX8 said:
I don't understand why you would want to remove the Men. polishing oils. I use PO85RD, RMG to add oils prior to waxing. Thats what glazes and polishes Meguiars 3, 5, 7, 9 , Dansee sp, etc do. I guess if you are apply a acrylic sealant you might want to remove the oils. FK1 makes a product for cleaning paint prior to LSP. Or mix up some Dawn dishwash or Tide liquid and wash your car.
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My guess is they want to remove the oils to make sure those same oils are not hiding paint marring left over.
 
bert31 said:
I have often wondered if this bonding concern is why Chemical Guys came out with Citrus Wash and Clear. It doesn't have the glossing agents in it like Citrus Wash and Gloss so it seems to be a more "pure" wash that doesn't leave anything behind. Is this a product you should use before applying an LSP??? I don't know. If not, why did Chemcial Guys come out with the product? I am just theorizing here, not putting forth opinions.
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I got my CWC from Detailed Image and I love it, but I noticed that it's not shown on the CG website. Have they discontinued it?
 
MDRX8 said:
I don't understand why you would want to remove the Men. polishing oils. I use PO85RD, RMG to add oils prior to waxing. Thats what glazes and polishes Meguiars 3, 5, 7, 9 , Dansee sp, etc do. I guess if you are apply a acrylic sealant you might want to remove the oils. FK1 makes a product for cleaning paint prior to LSP. Or mix up some Dawn dishwash or Tide liquid and wash your car.
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For inspection purposes primarily, and to prevent bonding problems, especially with sealants. I really hate to mention this, since the last time this subject was brought up the thread deteriorated to the point that I got banned, but Menzerna's oils *will* hide paint defects. The only way you're going to know if there are holograms or other light defects in the paint prior to applying your LSP, is to remove *everything* from the paint using IPA and/or PrepSol, then using lights to very thoroughly inspect the paint for any remaning holograms or defects that were being hidden by whatever polishing oils were left on the paint after your final polishing step.



If you do a few black cars, it'll really show you what you can miss if you don't do this. Often, there will be areas of polishing oils, or even the polish itself, that are still on the paint. There's just no subsitute for a completely squeaky clean surface prior to glaze and/or LSP.
 
Greg Nichols got me a sample of CWC, which I finally used for the first time last week. It seems to rinse off much easier than CW&G. It doesn't feel as slippery. The car I used it on wasn't very dirty, so I don't know if it cleans as well. It should, as it's supposed to be exactly the same as CW&G, but without the glossing and rinse agents.
 
call me silly or what,



but I'm not planning on continuing to use CWG as my wash. I'll use Maxi suds from now on.



CWG will be used as wheel and rim cleaner. if dilution is 4 oz to 28 oz , it's 1:7 , which is more economical than their already cheap as chips Premium Blue cleaner, which is 1:3 ratio.



im hoping it all works out well for me

:)
 
I can see some sealants ( Zaino - been there-done that) that had issues bonding with paint and that was due to residue from FFII, but I've never had a problem with Megs - maybe it's cause they are formulated to work with "oils" from polishes/wash ? don't know...just speculating
 
Well after using my CW&G for some time now, I'm kind of on the fence about it. It has great cleaning power and good lubricity but I found it didn't really rinse free too well for me. Maybe it's the hard water, maybe it's the glossing agents, not too sure. I'll still keep it around/buy it for pre washes, it's great for those.



edit: After reading another thread maybe it's my dillution ratio? 1 oz per 2 gallons is the label, but I think that is too strong?
 
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