CG's Wet Mirror Finish & JetSeal 109

frostydog,



In regards to durability, if you top WMF it is going to be locked in by the product you are topping it with. What I mean by this is, the WMF should never degrade as long you maintain the topper. In your case, this would be Pete's wax.



You mentioned not experiencing as much dust as I did. I think the lower speed you were using on the PC caused this, not the humidity. I say this because here in New Orleans, we have an extremely high level of humidity on a pretty regular basis.



I actually worked the product like I would a regular polish, using speeds 5 and 6. I may try your "apply and remove" method using a slower speed instead of actually "working it in" like I did just to see if the outcome changes.



Regardless, I think it definitely adds to the finish and is a nice product. Just like any new product, it takes some playing with to determine the best way to use it.
 
frostydog said:
I had some time to play with the CG WMF, so I thought I'd add my impressions to the discussion… as there still seem to be some confusion around the boards as to exactly what the product is.



Round 1:

I first tried WMF as a topper, applied by hand, over DG 105 & AW (it was the sealant I had on my car at the time). The car was polished 1 month prior so the paint was in pretty good condition except for some very minor wash swirls (damn super soft Acura clear). I felt it did add a little depth & gloss and seemed to darken the paint some, but I didn’t really care for the overall look. I think I liked the overall appearance better with just the 105 and AW. I have to agree with Jdookie…even though the product seemed to do all as described, it was just missing something. The paint looked dark, glossy & wet…but still just blah. It also seemed to smear a bit in some spots and was somewhat hard for me to apply evenly by hand. After removal there was def spots I could see I had too much product. What’s good is those spots seemed to have dried up and all but disappeared on their own the next day.



Round 2 (week later):

Stripped everything off my car, started with clean paint. I did not re-polish as I wanted to use the WMF by PC and see if I noticed any filling. After hearing J’s dusting issues with WMF I decided to stick with the PC, a black pad and try to keep the speed down to around 3.5 - 4. The WMF did everything it did by hand times 5. I was MUCH more impressed with this product with the PC. It was MUCH glossier, darker and wetter than when I applied by hand. It also seemed to just melt into the paint, quite quickly, without needing much of a final wipe at all. Also, I didn’t have much dusting at all, I don’t know if that’s because I live in SC and the humidity was high, but it just dusted a little bit for me. I also noticed some filling this time around. I didn’t have any major swirls, but the light day-to-day marks on my car were def lightened if not completely gone.



IMO…MUCH BETTER PRODUCT BY MACHINE.



But still, missing something. It’s weird…here I’m looking at a very glossy, rich, wet looking car and it was so obviously lacking something that my wife even said something. She NEVER notices details like this.



Since J went the synthetic route with good success I thought I’d try a carnauba. I put a coat of Pete’s on top. That did it!!! That’s exactly what it needed. I just don’t think WMF can be called a stand-alone product, because it’s very obviously missing something. It needs to be topped.



Enough talk…a couple pics.



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Very wet!!!! I really like the effect it has.....:D =:shocked
 
JDookie,

You def have us beat when it comes to humidity. It must have been the slower speeds then...I also didn't use nearly as much product as I thought I would have to. 3 small drops on the pad was enough to do a 2 x 2 section. I think I actually used more applying by hand than machine, it seemed to spread quite well with the PC.



I understand what you're saying about "locking it in", but do you think the underlying product will never fail on it's own as long as it's topped? I just have to think eventually the WMF will fail...even if I put a fresh topper on every week. I certainly hope it would last for a while so long as I keep the topper up, I'm just not holding my breath. Not really a huge deal, because I can apply a coat of WMF relatively quickly.



Regardless...I plan to apply another coat of Pete's (actually may switch to P21S, I'm not the biggest fan of Pete's) next week and at that time I'll assess the condition of the WMF and Pete's. Unlike other products it's pretty easy to tell what WMF is doing to the paint compared to the Pete's. Pete's is the shine and shimmer and WMF is the gloss & depth.



usdm,

I'm not sure it really needs more than one layer, or if you would even notice any difference with mulitple layers. When I was applying it to the clean paint I could def see where I had applied WMF compared to where I didn't. It's has a pretty obvious effect on the look of the paint...at least for my black paint it did. And though I didn't let it cure for hours then try to apply more, I did go over some sections twice and didn't notice any difference the second time over. Maybe letting it cure would change this...but I just don't think so.
 
frostydog said:
I understand what you're saying about "locking it in", but do you think the underlying product will never fail on it's own as long as it's topped? I just have to think eventually the WMF will fail...even if I put a fresh topper on every week. I certainly hope it would last for a while so long as I keep the topper up, I'm just not holding my breath. Not really a huge deal, because I can apply a coat of WMF relatively quickly.
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I honestly don't think it will. Granted, if you let the topper go for weeks wiithout maintenance, I'm sure you will lose not only the topper, but also the WMF, BUT if maintained correctly and not subjected to any kind of severe conditions, I think it will hold up.



All of this being said, there's no way for me to prove any of this, its just speculation, but I don't think I'm that far off.
 
CG were kind enough to send me a sample of Jetseal with my last order and I finally had a chance to use it. I tried the Jetseal on my wife's dark blue Mazda3. The product was very easy to apply; I used a PC. After letting it haze for about a half hour, removal was just as painless. I'd previously used AJ, AW and 1000P on her car. Compared to those products (on the Mazda), the Jetseal looks wetter and more reflective. Really, it's the best her car has looked to date.



The big issue is durability. As our garage is used for more (errr...) interesting automobiles, the Mazda is parked outside 24/7. Previous LSPs have lasted 4-6 weeks max. It'll be interesting to see how much life we can get out of the Jetseal.
 
I'm very interested to know Jetseal durability as well. I applied on my daily driver Nissan Murano several weeks ago (probably 4-5 weeks). Car hasn't been washed since then (too busy); however, we have had many thunderstorms here in Chicago. Every rain storm that car has beaded very well - even with the dust and dirt accumulation from daily driving. I only put 1 coat of Jetseal and will put another coat on next wash (within the next 2 weeks). The Murano is parked outside 14 hours a day, mostly in the sun. I has Menzerna FMJ on it before and FMJ didn't last more that 3 weeks under the same conditions.
 
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