Carnuaba users

BigJimZ28 said:
they are very very close

I think #16 has the edge in durability

but 845 has a little better "look" to ME
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I had the same durability experience with 845 vs #16 as well. My understanding is the Collinite paste waxes have better durability than 845. With regards to appearance, I like 845 more on lighter colors and #16 on dark.
 
Because I haven't found a sealant that will give me the glow and purity that carnauba does. But maybe I'm doing something wrong...



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Some of these so called "sealants" sold by various retailers should not even have this "label" attached to them, alot of them don't last much longer than some carnuaba's. Without mentioning products/vendors, alot of the durability claims are grossly inflated by the people who sell them.
 
This thread’s took a turn and now has two questions. So here’s my routine:

For me, there isn’t a better finish for my solid-black Porsche than 4 to 5 coats of P21s with 4 to 6 days between coats. The depth, ‘wet’, the light reflection/refraction in the sun and shade is unmatched. But this car is a garage queen and rarely ever sees rain, snow or salty roads, so it’s exposure to the elements is negligible.

The Ridgeline and the Merc are 24-7 outdoor/daily users, and the Ridgeline gets its share of sand/stone/dirt access road on the way into mountain bike trails, and when the roads are salt covered. The same process for the Porsche goes on these two, but then use a sealant (KSG - 3 coats) to really protect all the abuse of the elements and the winter-sanded-salted roads in my neck of the woods.

I loose a ‘touch’ of the depth on the light silver-metallic in Ridgeline paint, again, that’s my perspective. The Merc is black with a fine-red-metallic (AMG color) … but I feel I loose a bit “more than a touchâ€� of depth when the sealant goes on. Seems as if the metal-flake doesn’t jump out and give the ‘flash’ red it does when I don’t go over the P21s with the sealant.

I choose to use sealant anyway as I’m convinced (or I just convinced myself) it’s a better, longer lived protection than just the wax for the winter abuse.

The second part of the thread: The ‘tacky’ effects heat has on wax has not happened since I started waiting 4 to 6 days between applications, with cold water rinses (w/Spotless Water System), just before the next application. Explained as being the ideal time for gas-off and total cure with each layer. This technique was given to me after much pleading with the owner of an entry in the Amelia Island Concours d’Elegance show (2nd place) from an Arizona car in that desert heat with what I still say was the best damn finish I ever saw and the standard to which I hold all details. I swear by P21s – so I don’t know if this technique will work with the other brands.

My two and a half cents - and several dollars worth of products.
 
Nuba hands down in looks department, deeper, wetter and glossier compared to any sealant I have tried. The difference is very noticeable in dull color such as light greenish metallic blue.
 
I have tried a couple of sealants this year in place of quality nuba's, and while I liked both, they were let down in one key area for me - beading & sheeting water cleanly eg they just seem to hold water on the paintwork more than the waxes i was using.



In winter I like to do lots of touchless washes including lots of foaming etc. It doesnt get the car completely clean so i dont towel dry it, but simply sheet the water off. The sealants just didnt do anything like as good a job of letting the water go as the Zymols or Collinite.



I remember turning corners up the road from my home with a waxed car covered in rainwater, and seeing every drop of water roll across the bonnet and come off, and seeing rivers run down the side windows off the roof. The same car with sealant would end up at the office several miles down the road still covered in water....



If I can replicate that ability then sealants will have a look-in again. maybe the new Megs #21 v2.0 if this hydrophobic ability is any good?
 
D&D Auto Detail said:
Havent used a sealant that compares to Carnauba look wise. Also, Ive experienced the paint dulling after applying Carnauba on top of some sealants. So I dont like to do that.
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Have you tried Wolfgangs DGPS?
 
I really do like some nubas but I dont like have into to reapply so often and I want my car to last and last so I feel that sealants are better for me. I love Zaino to death and I also found a great new one this year with Wolfgang DGPS.



There are just too many products out there!



I DO want to try the doodoojuices though.
 
I'm a great fan of a good carnauba wax. Currently my car has Zymöl Concours and it always looks "special" in some way.



But I sincerely advise that you give Jetseal109 a try, its a fantastic product and it leaves a great finish, not Concours level (but so ain't the price) but still a fantastic wet and reflective look.
 
i knew of sealants for a long time, i've used carnuba's all my life. when i came accross this site a a couple of others and began to read and get educated about all the products out there i started to use these products. i was blown away when i used a certain sealant for the first time, i loved the way it looked. after reading somemore i put a nuba over it and was blown away still again. in my case i like the durability of a sealant and feel good that it's under my nuba, but applying a good paste wax to my car is theraputic to me and i love the way different nubas look compared to others. just a sealant to me is to sterile a shine imo, the application of a good nuba just does it for me.:2thumbs:
 
LanceM said:
wow that pic is hot. which wax is that?
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Carnauba Moose, based on Scottwax's advice. That paint is lacquer and about 20 years old. We recently put three coats of Ultima PGP on it, but don't have any good pictures of it. I just pulled the engine for a rebuild, so it will probably be spring before it sees sunlight again. I will say that I'm awfully impressed with the look of the PGP under artificial lighting, but haven't been able to make any assessments in the sun. We will be doing both of our black BMWs this week and topping with PGP, so we'll be able to make a better comparison.



Another shot with Carnauba Moose.

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Like someone mentioned earlier, how about applying a sealant first then topping it with a nuba? Won't you get a deeper, wetter look or will the nuba react differently on top of the sealant?
 
GranPrix said:
Like someone mentioned earlier, how about applying a sealant first then topping it with a nuba? Won't you get a deeper, wetter look or will the nuba react differently on top of the sealant?
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A lot of people do that and there is often an improvement in looks once the carnauba is added.



I tried it for a while (#16 over KSG) but decided to just stick with one LSP type or the other as I didn't like not being able to add more KSG.
 
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