Car Detailing Conspiracy??

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Xandy

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Hi. I'd quickly like to post a thanks for all the cool tips and stuff- I love this forum. But now to a more serious concern-

I was wondering if anyone can explain why so many of the websites for the resellers of these non-OTC products are so similar. Perhaps because they all use Yahoo's Store as a front end... perhaps not. Note that they are nearly all located in FLORIDA.

More alarmingly, I was recently struck by the extreme similarity between Wolfgang's and Pinnacle's web sites... then their broschure's designs... and finally, the fact that they share the same business address! Wouldn't you suspect huge exchanging of trade secrets and recipes if Nestle and Hershey's shared a building? Certainly. I do frequently see mention of shared ingredients such as "carnauba" and "Tuff Suds II" across a range of product lines reaching beyond WG and Pinnacle, to companies like Detailer's Pride. And again, nearly all in Florida.

After a little private eye work of my own, I found that both are "subsidiaries of Palm Beach Motoring." But that's as far as I've gotten. I cannot find any documentation prooving that such company exists. Now I don't mean to blow anything out of proportion, but I was wondering if any one else had any theories about what massive conspiracies could be brewing on Florida's eastern seaboard. Could the car care industry be a coverup for something of a scale that makes the DaVinci Code look like a child's game of hide and seek? And what of the dark horse, Poorboys, who charges New York residents sales tax?

Anyway, just thinking...
 
I think that pinnacle and wolfgang are from the same company but were not here at dc to accuse someone of this or that. There have been threads like this accusing companies of rebottling and such. You can think what you want but we should really stray away from these types of topics at dc.

Greg
 
The owner (Max) owned Detailer's Pride first, I think he also had Autogeek at that time. At some point he took control of Pinnacle, a company who has products that are second to none. Pinnacle is based on natural ingredients. Some time later Wolfgang was formed as a sister company to make synthetic products. No conspiracy, just smart business.

As for the Florida thing, if you've ever been to Florida you'd know that one of the great pleasures is cruising along the beach in your stunningly detailed car. Its also warm for most of the year so detailing supply shops, like Autogeek and PAC, have a steady business for the whole year.

Food for thought.
 
As far as I know, if you buy any product from a company operating in the same state as you live in, they are required by law to charge you sales tax. ANY and EVERY company. If you wanted to avoid that, order the products from another vendor in another state. Then they wouldn't have to charge the sales tax.
 
Personally I have been doing business with Palm Beach Motoring Accessories for about 10 years, started back when they were just a mail order company.
The owner Max has never hid the fact that he brands and manufactures Pinnacle, Detailers Pride (now the new DP), and recently as of last year Wolfgang. Sounds to me like you got an agenda, especially since its post #1 for you, but before you start accusing you should get the facts straight. If you need any help why don't you go straight to the link CharlesW provide...there you will see the big conspiracy that Max is hiding right on his website! :rolling Further more all you have to do to investigate is email Autogeek, they will tell you all of their dirty little secrets they are hiding.
 
Xandy said:
And what of the dark horse, Poorboys, who charges New York residents sales tax?
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Poorboys (Steve) by law has to charge sales tax to anyone that lives in NY state and buys the product for their own use (not intent on resale). If you want to avoid the sales tax then you can buy his products from another vendor that carries Poorboys but then you must incur the higher shipping charge to bring it up from ...oh say...Florida. :lmfao
It actually is 6 or 1/2 dozen when you really look at it. :duel

And to quote DetailQueen... For a first post it does seem that you have an agenda. A somewhat negative one IMHO as you are accusing instead of asking but it looks like an agenda none the less.

Please do not take the last statement in a bad way as you will find on this site that most everyone is very friendly and helpful (including/especially the sponsors) and will answer your questions or concerns (as in this case) very open and honestly.
 
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Just to help explain what 69 GTO Judge is saying about the taxes!

It has to do with Mail order taxes (Which are going to be changing very soon from all the banter I hear here at at work!)

When you own a mail order/Internet company you are required to charge sales tax in the state that you physicly do business in! If do business in NY you have to charge tax to NY residents! Same thing would go for a Company based in NJ (Like me) charging NJ residents sales tax! (The IRS is not a group of people want to screw around with so its always best to play by their rules)

If your company does business in many states (Say walmart) and you have Internet ordering as well (like walmart) then you are required to charge sales tax in any state that you are physicly doing business in!
 
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Most everything these days are the same product relabeled. Most of Snap On's power tools are just rebadged and doubled in price. Gas all comes from a common pipe line, it's just marketed under the gas company's name. There's no conspiracy, it's just the way things are these days.
 
shotime said:
Most everything these days are the same product relabeled. Most of Snap On's power tools are just rebadged and doubled in price. Gas all comes from a common pipe line, it's just marketed under the gas company's name. There's no conspiracy, it's just the way things are these days.
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Actually gas does not all come from the same pipe line...there is raw gas that comes from the Middle East, Russia, South America, Texas, Lousianna, California, Alaska, Canada, etc.....
what really makes the slight differences in gas and in chemicals is the refinery and fine changes that make some better than others. Yes gasses are all petroleum products and can be used to serve the same task, but there is a difference in quality even though they may look and smell the same, just like the chemical business.
 
Antonio Waxer said:
Actually gas does not all come from the same pipe line...there is raw gas that comes from the Middle East, Russia, South America, Texas, Lousianna, California, Alaska, Canada, etc.....
what really makes the slight differences in gas and in chemicals is the refinery and fine changes that make some better than others. Yes gasses are all petroleum products and can be used to serve the same task, but there is a difference in quality even though they may look and smell the same, just like the chemical business.
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Antonio while you are correct this is not 100% true. I have a good friend who works in this industry. And according to what I have learned is that the big companies Like Exxon and Sunoco Will bring their own gas into the states he once told me the break down of how much gas they bring in from the middle east vs how much they purchased from within the states.(I can't remember now) Whatever Left over fuel that they have (which they always seem to have) goes to Smaller indipendent Gas Stations!

So in the end weather you go to Exxon or Usave gas stations Chances are that you are getting pretty much the same fuel (Exxon may use different formulations then Sunnoco or Shell Ect) But Those are all the big players! They can do that the little guy is buying leftovers at a discounted price!

The reason your Mechanic will tell you to always go to a quality gas station is that 1 they have a reputation to up hold. 2. There is somepalce for Recourse if they manage to pump desiel in your car instead of Unleaded they will pay for it. 3. There is Traffic...Gas at your local Exxon turns over more often than a Usave! so you are constantly getting fresh gas!
 
No dispute there...small Independant gas stations get the excess gas from the big suppliers, but some of the large companies like Citgo and Sunoco, I believe, do not purchase any gas from the middle east, whereas a companies like Mobil / Exxon will buy from all over the world.
The refinery and additives are what really make the differences some people notice in their perfmance.
 
Bill D said:
I'm enjoying Chevron with Techron :bigups
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What Bill said is the key thing, if a specific oil co states that they are adding something specific they must, where the smaller stations take "blends" of larger company surplus. The regular that is in the tanker delivering may have picked up X amount of gallons from Exxon, Y amount from BP, and Z from from Shell, so they can pick it up at a reduced cost
 
yeah this is interesting...I also noticed that one station I used to go to said they had ethanol(sp?) added and when I got gas there my mileage went down...now I don't go there anymore even though it's convenient...
 
Poorboy said:
yeah this is interesting...I also noticed that one station I used to go to said they had ethanol(sp?) added and when I got gas there my mileage went down...now I don't go there anymore even though it's convenient...
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Steve,

You may not be able to get away from ethanol in the future..

NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR SUPPORTS ETHANOL PRODUCTION/USE
IN STATE
In a move designed to boost the state's agriculture economy and protect the environment, New Jersey Governor James McGreevey recently announced his support for efforts by Garden State Ethanol to construct the first ethanol plant in the state.

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"This ethanol facility is the key to providing a major new
market for our grain growers."
-- New Jersey Governor James McGreevey

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"I am committed to providing New Jersey's farmers with new opportunities to be profitable, and this ethanol facility is the key to providing a major new market for our grain growers," said McGreevey. "As we move forward with this important project, we will work closely with Garden State Ethanol in a true public/private partnership."

Garden State Ethanol, a farmer-based private corporation, is working to construct and operate an ethanol plant in New Jersey. Their plant would process 14 million bushels of corn into 40 million gallons of ethanol per year, while also producing distillers grains and carbon dioxide for sale.

The New Jersey Farm Bureau (NJFB) welcomed Gov. McGreevey's support. "The Governor understands that to keep the garden in the Garden State, we need to keep farmers farming," stated John Rigolizzo, president of the NJFB. "Farmers gain a new market for the corn used to produce the clean-burning fuel additive. The environment gains a viable alternative to MTBE, a source of concern for water pollution. And New Jersey residents benefit in two ways - from the cleaner environment and a guarantee of preserved open space."

New Jersey Agriculture Secretary Charles Kuperus is coordinating the state's effort to help identify funding sources for the plant.


On a side note...What ever happened to Xandy who created this post. :huh
 
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