Can you use a glaze over a sealent or paste wax?

It will still be able to hide swirls. Problem is it will come off after a wash expect almost zero durability. Your best bet is to start over and apply it after polishing but before your LSP.
 
My car was clayed, polished, and sealed by a detailer but it still has swirls. I added a coat of nattys regular on top of the sealent and it looked a tad better, but the swirls are still very noticable during sunny days. Is there anything I can put on top of the sealant and paste wax to help hide a little more swirls until the paint is corrected in march/april?????
 
If you PB glaze then yes you can top that on the sealant and it will help to mask the swirls, once you have that done top that off with nattys again

Its not the best order to apply these products but in your case there is not a lot of choices
 
Beemerboy said:
If you PB glaze then yes you can top that on the sealant and it will help to mask the swirls, once you have that done top that off with nattys again

Its not the best order to apply these products but in your case there is not a lot of choices
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yes, i'd say that was good advice :rockon
 
Beemerboy said:
If you PB glaze then yes you can top that on the sealant and it will help to mask the swirls, once you have that done top that off with nattys again

Its not the best order to apply these products but in your case there is not a lot of choices
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Actually works well.

Don;t ask me how I know. :notme:
 
wallyStang said:
I just cant stand seeing swirls in my paint :( I dont wanna do a full detail because it is dam cold lol
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The glaze is a great way to mask those until spring comes. I do this in the winter just to save time and not polish the car all the time
 
It has been my experience with Black Hole that it covers very well. With that said I never said that it covers everything.

IF swirls are on the paint there is only one way to get rid of them. Prep the paint with a good polish then apply Black Hole.
 
cwcad said:
It has been my experience with Black Hole that it covers very well. With that said I never said that it covers everything.

IF swirls are on the paint there is only one way to get rid of them. Prep the paint with a good polish then apply Black Hole.
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I'm trying to follow you here. It sounds a bit comical. Forgive me if it wasn't meant to be.

"With that said I never said..." :huh: :gotcha:

I guess I am not understanding the role of Black Hole as you guys are describing it.

I see Black Hole as a one-step product to clean the paint and fill some scratches while providing a nice wet looking shine. All being very temporary do to it's nature of being a glaze. What am I missing?

Steve can you clarify please. Does Black Hole contain acrylic? Shouldn't that make it more of a sealant than a glaze? Can it miraculously fill scratches when applied over top of a sealant?

Now I will attempt to answer this question according to what I know about glazes (and my experiences with them). Saying that a glaze is going to fill scratches when you apply it over a sealant sounds wrong to me. Logically, how is it going to fill the scratch if the sealant is between the scratch and the glaze?

I get frustrated when I deal with the clear film placed over the noses of many cars these days because I can't polish the paint underneath the film. The only way to polish the paint is to remove the film. IMO the only way you're going to fill (or polish) any scratches is if you remove any wax or sealant first. Now Black Hole might be strong enough to do just that, but don't go thinking the wax or sealant is still there.
 
no acrylic in Black Hole ... it fills from working it into the finish ... yes it will fill over or under as it is leveling the surface not by abrasion but with fillers, thus the need to put a LSP over it to seal it in.

hope that helped :)
 
I have never thought of Black Hole as an AIO. I thought it was a covering glaze with some protection but not in the realm of a sealant.
 
Poorboy said:
no acrylic in Black Hole ... it fills from working it into the finish ... yes it will fill over or under as it is leveling the surface not by abrasion but with fillers, thus the need to put a LSP over it to seal it in.

hope that helped :)
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I wish I could agree with this but I don't. The sealant or wax levels the surface without concealing the scratch in most cases. This seals the scratch in, much like the clear film scenario I used before. The only way you're going to fill it is by removing the sealant or wax first. We are talking about micro scratches here not ones you feel with your fingernail right?
 
cwcad said:
I have never thought of Black Hole as an AIO. I thought it was a covering glaze with some protection but not in the realm of a sealant.
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It has non-abrasive cleaners in it. Here's the copy straight from the Poorboy's World site,

Enjoy a show car shine all the time!

Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze is formulated exclusively for dark colored vehicles. The glaze cleans and fills light swirl marks to leave a brilliant, glossy, slick show car shine. Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze can be applied any time to hide minor imperfections and to enhance gloss on black, red, and all dark vehicles.

Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles makes it easy to maintain a show car shine, even on daily drivers. You know how tough it is to detail as often as you’d like. You can’t get out the polisher for every new swirl. Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles allows you to hide minor imperfections on dark vehicles until you can remove them.

In addition to disguising blemishes, Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles cleans the paint. Swirls can be more noticeable when they’re filled with grime, so this special formula lifts out dirt and then fills in swirls with glaze. In just one quick step, your vehicle will be swirl-free, incredibly glossy, and slick!

Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles is for any dark paint, including clear coats, single stage or ceramics. Blacks and reds can be tough to maintain but Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze keeps them looking good every day.

Just like all Poorboys products, Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles can be applied in the sun or shade. Apply it by hand or machine to create an extremely slick, glossy surface. Use glaze before applying your favorite wax or sealant. The last step product will lock in the fillers to keep your paint looking great until your next detail.

Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles can even be applied to chrome and show plating!

Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles is a wipe on, let it haze, and then buff off product. Spread with a soft, clean foam applicator,(If applying by machine, set your polisher to a low speed) and work until a shine begins to appear. Allow it to dry to a haze and then buff off with a clean, soft microfiber towel, like our DMT’s or Mega-Plush towels.

If your vehicle has more severe swirls and scratches, use Poorboys swirl removers to perfect the paint. Then apply Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles to improve gloss. Finally, top the paint with Poorboys World EX Sealant with Carnauba and/ or Natty’s Blue Paste Wax.

Poorboys Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles makes it easy to maintain a show car perfect shine all the time! Wipe it on, let it haze, buff it off, and enjoy the shine.
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Basically it can be used alone, or just before lsp is applied in a multi-step process.
 
Poorboy said:
Where does it say use alone? well, other than for show cars :inspector:
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Oh never mind. This statement here can lead people to believe it is a stand alone product-

In just one quick step, your vehicle will be swirl-free, incredibly glossy, and slick!
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I always assume we are talking about show cars when we are talking glaze. Glaze doesn't last long enough to be good for anything else IMO. If it did then why would there be a need for polishing at all? We could just use glaze and keep maximum amount of paint on the car.
 
cwcad said:
I have never thought of Black Hole as an AIO. I thought it was a covering glaze with some protection but not in the realm of a sealant.
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I just re-read this and I misunderstood your reasoning here when I responded. The fact that it cleans and offers any degree of protection at all makes it an AIO to me, but I never said it compared to a sealant.
 
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