Can you recommend me the best all around non-synthetic carnauba waxes?

TOGWT said:
The hard paste is harder to work with, whereas a ‘soft’ paste wax is considerably easier, but the protection in terms of length of durability is superior. Liquid wax due to its higher solvent and / or polymer content has a more reflective (wetter) look than hard wax, whereas a hard wax is slightly more durable due to its higher wax content



They differ basically in the amount of solvents, oils and etc. Carnauba is diluted with solvents, when you apply a paste wax, the friction (heat) helps melt the wax and evaporate the solvents. A liquid wax usually contains more volatile solvents that evaporate out when the wax is applied. The excess wax, left over lubricants, excess bonding agents, solvent residues and whatever else is left forms the "haze" that is buffed out to reveal the wax.




As I noted above, this is not necessarily true. Yes, I can make you a sprayable wax which has a relatively high solvent/wax content but this is one of the more difficult and expensive methods to use and does not necessarily yield any real benefit. Certainly my liquid wax is practically solvent free (assuming you do not consider water to be a solvent!) - it is produced with high shear emulsification and simply does not need the solvent. It is also a good deal cheaper to do it this way. Polymers - complicated - you chaps use this term very loosely but you tend to mean film forming protectants. Liquid wax products use no more routinely than hard waxes - some do, some don't. On the other hand, the emulsifying agents used in many of the low solvent products will be polymers of a different kind - so in that definition of polymer, yes, they are more common. Whilst these emulsifiers are not polymers in the normal detailing meaning, you are dead right, they tend to give that slightly different look. The lower durability with liquid waxes is not so much down to the wax content. If you think about it, whilst the wax content is lower, there is nothing to stop one using a lot more product to compensate - you can have a layer with exactly the same amount of wax in it from both hard and liquid waxes - but the liquid produced wax will routinely be less durable. The primary reasons for this will be the different character of the layer and the emulsifiers. With a hard wax, you will get a rather uniform layer. With a spray/emulsion wax, you will end up with a layer which is more particulate in nature - the wax is less well bonded to itself and is thus more easily interrupted and removed. The the emulsifiers necessary to get the wax into a liquid form will have some inherent water compatability - this is why they actually succeed as emulsifiers. Unfortunately they are non-volatile and will persist on the surface. Fundamentally these are just surfactants/detergents so can dissolve in any water which impacts the surface and can aid in dissolution of the wax.



All the best
 
Alfisti said:
Which is your liquid wax? Do you mean the one you use or the one you make? :neutral:



The one I make but I am not a sponsor or affiliate of the site so cannot provide details. What I can guarantee is that we are not alone in using this approach.
 
PiPUK- Thanks for the helpful explanation.



TOGWT said:
..just stating what I've always believed to be so...



You and me both :think:



Alfisti said:
That may have been true in the pre-voc era in certain cases...



Ah, yeah...I'm still stuck in the pre-VOC era in some ways :o
 
[Certainly my liquid wax is practically solvent free (assuming you do not consider water to be a solvent!) - it is produced with high shear emulsification and simply does not need the solvent] PIPUK



I trust you realize this discussion is based on products generally, whereas you are talking specifics i.e. a wax you or someone else has formulated for you.It only clouds the issue if you do not compare apples with apples
 
TOGWT said:
I trust you realize this discussion is based on products generally, whereas you are talking specifics i.e. a wax you or someone else has formulated for you.It only clouds the issue if you do not compare apples with apples



Our products are all formulated in-house. I know the majority of the appropriate chemical synthesisers and raw material manufacturers and have numerous contacts experienced in product formulation. Yes, I have made a statement about our own liquid wax but a formulator does not operate in a blind fashion. Hundreds of tonnes a year of the underlying materials are sold to numerous automotive manufacturers in the UK alone. I think it is fairly safe to state that this particular approach is rather common when it comes to sprayable waxes.
 
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