Can Carnauba wax be topped over a sealant?

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imported_Victor1

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Hello there,



Can Carnauba wax be topped over a Ultima Paint Guard Plus sealant an hour after the application? I am asking this question, because topping a coat of Carnauba wax the day after the sealant application may not be possible for clients' cars.



I have read some really positive reviews with Blackfire Midnight Sun Ivory Carnauba paste wax, P21S 100% Carnauba wax, and Pinnacle Signature Series II. Which of those waxes would you recommend to top over a sealant?



I have had great experience with Ultima Paint Guard Plus sealant; are there any other recommended sealants that would allow a Carnauba wax to be topped over an hour after the sealant application? I am most unsure whether the sealant protection would be compromised.



Thanks!



Victor
 
IMO, if your sealant is lacking something that a wax provides, just use the wax by itself. I just don't see the benefit of mixing products like this.
 
I do it all the time outside of winter with P21S 100 over UPGP for an awesome look.



I pretty much have several coats of UPGP on year round. It gives a great look, but not the depth and warmth of a nuba, so I top UPGP with P21S 100.



Whether I have P21S 100 over UPGP or just UPGP as my topper (usually in the winter) I top both with OID.



P21S 100 (or any nuba) attracts a lot of dust and OID is a great anti-static. OID does not make P21S 100 look better on my jet black, but it keeps it looking better longer by keeping dust/pollen off it.



With UPGP alone as a topper, it really beads well, but the beads stay there. They don't sheet off easily, and this can lead to water spots. OID really helps with sheeting and gives a warm nuba look over the UPGP.
 
No. You need 24 hours for UPGP to cure (some are OK with 12 hours), but it is worth it in my mind. Great protective sealant that easily lasts 4+ months.



Apply UPGP and next wash apply nuba.
 
You can, but Im not sure if it would be the best idea for the sealant.

Some sealants you might be able to get away with it, but you probably wouldnt want to risk it

with UPGP.



A certain amount of bonding begins immediatedly after applying the sealant, but once you layer another solvent on top, it will damage the durability of the sealant

that isnt totally cured.



I highly doubt that a customer will notice if you topped their sealant or not, unless they request it specifically.
 
look into some other sealant like Jetseal where you can layer



or get into the danase wet glaze then sealant combo because that you can layer! Plus it looks killer
 
Or Jeffs Werkstatt.



Danase Wet Glaze is a great option, but you might have a hard time getting

a bottle of it.
 
wfedwar said:
IMO, if your sealant is lacking something that a wax provides, just use the wax by itself. I just don't see the benefit of mixing products like this.
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Agreed. Find something you like and use it often, as Mike Phillips is fond of saying.
 
If you like the look of carnauba, I would just use that for a few reasons:



1. The oils in a carnauba can permeate some polymer sealants decreasing durability. Kind of defeats the purpose of the sealant underlayer



2. The oils in a carnauba attract dust, again defeats the purpose of a sealant, which tend to have more of an anti static, non-stick surface characteristic.



3. The hi-solvents in a carnauba based system can strip or etch the sealant underlayer, again, defeats the purpose of using the sealant



4. Once you use a carnauba/oil based product over a sealant, you limit your ability to layer the sealant until the carnuba / oil layer is stripped.



As a compromise, if you want the durability of the sealant with more of a carnauba look, I would use an oil based QD instead. It is "less harsh" than a solvent based carnauba wax and won't hurt the sealant layer as much. It will also wash off easier for when it's time to put another sealant layer on.



Last, based on my experience and opinion, I feel that the best topper to a layerable sealant, is another coat of the same product. Typically, each coat gives additional return on gloss and protection.
 
I missed this was for a client. My posts are for my personal use.



Yep, go with one or the other in my view, unless customer asks for both. UPGP will last quite a while, but like most sealants it does not look so great upon initial application and clients may not like that. Looks best after the first wash.



I'm not a pro-detailer so take the advice of others, but I love my method for my personal cars.
 
machboy said:
What about applying carnauba over an AIO that includes a sealant, like Optimum Poli-Seal?
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That is actually done quite a bit. Use the AIO products after all other polishing steps and then apply a carnauba over it.
 
Scottwax said:
That is actually done quite a bit. Use the AIO products after all other polishing steps and then apply a carnauba over it.
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But doesn't that go against what others are saying how carnaubas hurt sealants? (you are the detailing master...I am fully aware :) I'm just trying to learn as much as I can).
 
AIO is hardly a sealant from my experience. Poliseal is getting about 6-8 weeks, where true sealants are in the 3-4 month range!



I have dropped my AIO package and now do a dedicated polish, then a sealant for MUCH better results and protection! Clients seem to like it and dont mind the upcharge for better results!
 
Can Carnauba wax be topped over a Ultima Paint Guard Plus sealant an hour after the application? I am asking this question, because topping a coat of Carnauba wax the day after the sealant application may not be possible for clients' cars.
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The answer is no if you want the Ultima to reach its peak. You are compromising a very expensive sealant. Leave the wax off and allow the sealant to cure. The look is very nice and I doubt the customer would notice any difference. By doing that step, within one hour, you are compromising the high dollar sealant that you just applied...........a lose lose formula. It is similar to whizzing into the wind and trying to remain dry.



In my opinion you are trying to do too much too fast and there is no benefit to the customer......only more and useless work for yourself.
 
So then there is really no way to get the glow of nauba with the protection of a sealant? I only ask because people always remark when I use a wax as my LSP. I'd love to be able to do fam/friends car's the same way but the lsp has to last a few months.
 
I often use opti-seal with a short cure time (1-2 hours) then use a spray sealant like DGAW. Could this be a logical alternative for someone looking to add a little extra depth? I've also done this with OOS and OCW and it looks awesome!!! Little slicker than DGAW...ok a lot slicker.
 
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