Bring paint to a 'liquid state'?

My point is not that some manufacturer made outstanding claims but that anyone believed it. If we are going to be educated detailers we all should know by now to doubt everything you here until you test and prove it for yourself. How would they know their "self leveling paint" only lasts three years for one? That means they would have to have it completed and around for R&D for 5 plus years w/o using it yet. I can spend about three hours typing why I don't believe this at all, and that is just one of a million ridiculous claims that some company has said about their detailing/paint product, but let me just say this, I hope it does work even though I'm 97% sure it's impossible. The main reason it would not work is because even if it did what the company said it did, self level and liquefy because of tempature, then dust and other contamination would be suspended in the paint making it look like cr*p. I would rename it dust metalic. Unless you are going to tell me that the paint heals itself by self leveling but doesn't include the dust when it reforms? I'm not having an attitude with you guys, just pointing out that I believe this to be another baseless claim from an industry that is famous for making them.
 
Surely you don't think that compnies don't test their products before offering them to manufacturers. I'm sure self healing paint has been in the works for several years and throughly tested. It isn't that a company like PPG gets a bright idea and then 3 months later the product hits the streets.
 
The Ming Mirror Finish



Just the Facts...

Common questions asked about the finish.



Q: How is the Ming "Mirror Finish" different form a wax or polish coating?

A: Actually, Ming is neither a wax or a polish. In fact, Ming is more of a process than a product. The Ming process enhances the natural paint finish by filling the pits and valleys (sometimes called pores) in every painted surface where dirt, grime and pollutants can collect.







Once the process is complete, no chemical residue or coating is left on the paint.







In a conventional treatment waxes or polishes are rubbed or buffed into these pores to cover the paint. The shine comes from the ingredients in the wax or polish. With Ming, the shine you see is the reflection of the natural paint surface, not a wax or polish.



Q: Yes, but doesn’t my car’s paint need some kind of covering to protect it?

A: No, not if the paint has been treated and strengthened. The Ming process bonds the paint making it much more resistant than otherwise. The paint is then protected from the damaging effects of dirt, grime, sunlight and pollutants. The only upkeep necessary is a gentle, regular washing with Ming Car Wash Soap or a comparable product. You need not wax or polish your vehicle again.



Q: Does Ming allow my paint to breathe?

A: Paint does not breathe in the sense of air passing in and through it. Paint is petroleum based, inorganic combination of pigments, solvents and binders that do not require oxygen to properly function. In fact, oxygen and sunlight are the chief causes of oxidation – that clouding of the paint – which makes even a new car look old. Oxidation is accelerated when the pores of the paint fill with harmful materials. Waxes and polishes cover up these pores for a period of time. The Ming process cleans and closes them so that the harmful materials cannot collect in the paint.



Q: Does Ming only work on new cars?

A: No, the Ming process also works extremely well on used cars. It cleans old waxes, polishes and dirt that cause clouding and oxidation and returns your used vehicle to a shine that will make your car look almost new again.



Q: Can I Ming my clearcoat?

A: Yes, The "clearcoat" is an upper layer of paint finish that has no pigmentation. It still has the same pits and valleys (pores) as any other applied paint. These pores can collect dirt and become clogged when they fill with material. The Ming process cleans, enhances and protects the clearcoat finish giving it and increased luster and longer lasting shine.



Q: How does the Ming "Mirror Finish" improve my paint?

A: Along with removing the pits and valleys, the Ming process toughens and hardens the paint making it more resistant to chips, scratches and the detrimental effects of the elements. The process enhances the paint finish without altering the composition or base thickness of the paint. Nor does it alter the flexibility of the paint surface in extreme temperatures.



Q: Do the new "high tech" car paints need the Ming Mirror Finish?

A: Yes. The Ming process removes the pores that are a part of every paint finish. Every paint can benefit from the Mirror Finish. Ming’s goal is to provide the highest quality finish protection available. This goal requires that Ming work closely with the various paint manufacturers to keep current on changes in paint technology. The Ming process has been updated and improved through the years to maintain our commitment to high quality. Today’s advanced Ming Mirror Finish is still the perfect answer to today’s advanced paints.The name Ming was coined by a newspaper reporter who was so impressed with the "Mirror Finish" and its inventor, Chester Stebenne, that he called them the "masters in natural glazing." The acronym "Ming" became popular and the name stuck.



You are always welcome at the Ming Center. Come in and ask questions. Our trained technicians will be pleased to work with you on protecting and enhancing your vehicle’s appearance.



Ask the technician to perform a free "test section" so you can see what the Ming process will do for your vehicle.



The Ming Mirror Finish Continued...



Q: Does the Ming process "burn" my paint finish?

A: No. Heat is a component of the Ming process, but, there is never enough heat to "burn" the paint. Further, Ming technicians are quality certified to understand your vehicle’s paint requirements and provide exacting care.



Q: What types of chemicals are used in the Ming process?

A: The secret Ming chemicals used to perform the Ming process are a mixture of water soluble ingredients specially formulated to protect a vehicle’s finish. They are safe for both the finish and the environment.



Q: If I have an accident which requires re-painting, do I have to re-Ming the entire car?

A: No, Just the area that has been repainted. Most Ming Centers will Ming the repainted area for you at a nominal charge. Your insurance may even cover the cost of the re-treatment.



Q: What is "The Ming Guarantee?"

A: The Ming Guarantee promises you satisfaction with your Ming "Mirror Finish" for three years after the Ming process is performed. There are no yearly maintenance visits, no hidden yearly charges and no required reapplication. Your vehicle will retain that same "Mirror Finish" gloss through your regular washing and care. The guarantee is only subject to the condition of the paint prior to Ming processing and does not apply to areas damaged by abrasion, collision or repainting that may occur after processing.



If you are not satisfied with the appearance of your vehicle, all you need to do is return your vehicle to any authorized Ming center with your invoice and signed guarantee. Our certified technicians will process it again under the terms of the warranty.



Q: How do I know Ming will stand by its guarantee?

A: Ming has been in the auto beauty business since 1935. We value the longevity of our business and high perception customers have of our quality. Our individual Centers are operated by reputable, concerned business people who understand the importance of customer service.



Our desire is to provide our expertise to you in protecting and maintaining the beautiful appearance of your new or used vehicle.



Q: Does Ming only do the "Mirror Finish?"

A: No. Ming offers a full range of auto beauty protection treatments for your vehicle. In addition to the "Mirror Finish", Ming provides quality:



Rust Protection

Fabric Protection

Vinyl and Leather Protection

Vinyl Roof Protection

Tire Dressings

Engine Detailing

Complete Appearance Reconditioning



Ming also provides a full line of quality Ming Auto Care Products to help keep your vehicle looking new for years.



Q: What does the name "Ming" mean?

A: "Ming" stands for:



The name Ming was coined by a newspaper reporter who was so impressed with the "Mirror Finish" and its inventor, Chester Stebenne, that he called them the "masters in natural glazing." The acronym "Ming" became popular and the name stuck.



You are always welcome at the Ming Center. Come in and ask questions. Our trained technicians will be pleased to work with you on protecting and enhancing your vehicle’s appearance.



Ask the technician to perform a free "test section" so you can see what the Ming process will do for your vehicle.
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I pulled all this from this link i found via search here in the forum

http://www.truckinamerica.com/ming.html



I smell snake oil



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=41406&highlight=Ming

http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=42654&highlight=Ming

http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=57831&highlight=Ming
 
Slickery,



Self leveling doesn't mean that the actual surface becomes liquid and sticky, which can absorb dust particles.



Imagine it as a miniature glacier. Ice is a solid thing, right? Wrong! Scientists examined the 'flowing characteristics' of big, thick glacier ice monoliths. They bore holes vertically with 1 meter spacing and put sticks into them. Just a nice vertical row of sticks... However, after several months, when they came back to control the row, it was distorted, and uneven. One stick was further down the slope than the other, proving that ice acts like a very thick fluid. It flows, but it is still solid. The vertical row of regularly spaced sticks had a curvy, uneven, strange pattern now. The original 1 meter spacing was nowhere; instead they could measure as much as 3 meters between certain sticks and 70 cm between other ones.



This is how the Nissan paint behaves. With time, the soft resin slowly loses its flexibility and becomes fully solid. No witches' kitchen...
 
Bence said:
This is how the Nissan paint behaves.
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This is how you see it, and this is how I see it: "Allegedly, this is how the Nissan paint behaves."

I hope you are right, but I will believe it when I see it with my own eyes. :bigups
 
moral of the story, next time your next to a nissan.... drill 1 cm holes 1 foot a part and stick dowels in them..:P I kid i kid



Ice glaciers are viscous, just as glass is viscous. have you ever seen a warbly window from 50-100 years of age? That is the glass moving.



anywho. I can see how you could claim paint being viscous, but i have no proof or knowledge to it being that way.
 
BMW thinks you'll take a shine to this



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09 June 2006



Paul Gover



The car you never have to polish is on the way. It promises to be a boon for anyone who has to battle the bucket for weekend car-wash duties in drought conditions.



BMW is working hard on a matt finish paint that will end the drudgery and could rewrite the rules on car styling and presentation.



It made the first move with its M Coupe concept at the Frankfurt Motor Show last year and, after a lot of interest from potential customers, is fast-tracking development of the new paint.



BMW says it wants to be first but has to overcome many problems, from applying the paint in factories to preserving it against everything from sap and tar to fingerprints.



"Surfaces on the vehicle turn to sculpture with this paint," Z4 Coupe project manager Timo Gobel says.



He gave the update at the preview of the Z4 Coupe in Portugal. BMW displayed a bodyshell with the same matt finish as the Frankfurt car.



"It is a big technical challenge," Gobel says. "There are many changes necessary, from the factory paintshop to caring for the finish.



"We have no idea yet on how we will be able to repair it."



He says research is moving into testing on everything from durability to protecting the paint without detracting from the matt finish.



"It will be some time before this paint is available," Gobel says.



The Z4 Coupe comes in another big year for BMW, which already has the Z4 M Roadster on sale in Australia and will have the latest 3-Series Coupe in showrooms before the end of the year.



It ran a full-scale media driving program for the red-hot M Coupe model, including laps at the Estoril circuit once used for Formula One.



It also showed the "civilian" 3.0si model, though there was no car for road-testing and the display model was customised to highlight the choices available from BMW's Individual division.



Both cars will be available in Australia about September, with the si model less than $100,000 and the Z4 M Coupe about $125,000.



Herald-Sun
 
Grouse said:
... I can see how you could claim paint being viscous, but i have no proof or knowledge to it being that way.
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Current paints aren't. It's claimed that these new self healing paints are.



Nissan's coatings are produced by Nippon Paint and while they've been happy to tell us how wonderful it will be they haven't been too clear on how it works.



Bayer in Germany is also working on self-healing coatings. By formulating the finish with a low glass transition temperature (the temperature at which a solid polymer will start to behave like glass, a viscous non-crystalline amorphous solid) the scratches will tend to flow out when warm.



Of course it's a balancing act of making the coating flow when you want it to but not when you don't.



Then there are other issues to contend with. Bayer says the self-healing works for scratches caused by plastic deformation of the surface, when the molecules in the matrix are displaced but bonds aren't broken. Apparently it doesn't work for scratches caused by brittle fracture, breaking of the intermolecular bonds. So the coating has to both flow and yet resist fracture under normal use. That's got to be tricky to do.





PC.
 
The notion of using frictional heat to semi-melt a coating and moving it around is valid and has been in use for centuries. Varnish would be the old classic. Many a novice with a rotary buffer has first hand experience at this with automotive paints, albet unpleasant experience.



I find the claim of doing this without any marring to be highly suspicious. Perhaps possible with single stage paints. But with clearcoats and the like, I doubt it could be done in an attractive fashion.
 
Good that the other pc brought up Bayer. Read on!





SELF-HEALING AUTOMOTIVE COATING





Scratches on a car put a damper on the driver’s pleasure and reduce gloss. Bayer researchers have developed a new coating that repairs small blemishes itself and is also especially environment-friendly.



Every car owner wants his or her vehicle to have a glossy, shiny surface. But the shine fades a little with each new scratch. Such minimal abrasions occur during washing, for example, whether the car is washed by hand or in the car wash. All it takes are tiny particles of dirt on the sponge or brush and, after a few short years, the once glossy car looks as if it had been scrubbed with steel wool. The problem could soon be a thing of the past, however. Dr. Markus Mechtel and the research team at Bayer MaterialScience Coatings have now developed coating raw materials for the formulation of clearcoats that can heal these “wounds�: small scratches simply disappear.

The magic formula: “2K-PUR Clear Coat, plasticized and highly crosslinkedâ€�, an extremely resistant and easy-flowing polyurethane mixture comprising the polyisocyanate Desmodur® and the polyol Desmophen®. When the PU coating is slightly heated – and all it takes is sunshine on a summer day – small blemishes on the car’s sheet metal simply flow back together.





Less solvent thanks to new PU components in the coating



But the new Bayer coating doesn’t just have amazing “self-healing powers�, it is also environmentally friendly. The components used in the PU coating are significantly less viscous than those typically used before. This means that the automakers do not have to use as much solvent, which in turn benefits the environment.

The scratch resistance of a coating is almost entirely a function of the topmost transparent layer, which is only a few hundredths of a millimeter thick and protects the layers below. The demands placed on this outer skin are enormous. Not only should it be scratch-resistant, it also has to withstand aggressive chemical compounds such as salt water, tree sap and bird droppings – and all of this at extreme temperatures ranging from plus 70 to minus 30 degrees Celsius while subjected to UV radiation and high humidity. Conventional coatings fail in that it is difficult to combine chemical resistance and high scratch resistance in one coating. Many coating raw materials in the Bayer testing laboratory fail early on in testing for this same reason when subjected to the laboratory car wash and weathering unit.

Wash brushes bearing quartz sand rotate above coated sheet metal and 6,000 Watt xenon lamps simulate extremely intense sunshine at up to 100 percent humidity – all in the presence of an aggressive acid mixture. Because the Bayer researchers carefully modified the surface coating’s “inner values�, the new PU coating literally came through this torture shining.





Scratches simply disappear in just a few minutes



“The self-healing ability of the coating is attributable to the density of its molecules and its glass transition temperature,� says Thomas Klimmasch, head of the automotive coatings lab at Bayer MaterialScience. The glass transition temperature is a transition point below which the network of coating molecules hardens like glass and can no longer move. At higher temperatures, the network of polymer chains is elastic and can flex in response to mechanical loads.The lower the glass transition temperature, the better the flow behavior and thus the self-healing ability of the coating. With highly flexible coatings, scratches appear as fine depressions that flow together in just a few minutes – more or less right before the eyes of the observer. A low glass transition temperature also has its disadvantages: both its resistance to chemicals and its polishability decrease. The coating becomes too soft to buff.

“A glass transition temperature of between 50 and 60 degrees Celsius has proven to be ideal,� says Mechtel.

With some coatings, mechanical loads such as those that occur due to brush impacts in a car wash result in irreversible surface damage in the form of fine brittle fractures. Such scratches do not heal themselves even at high temperatures. To make the coating even more resistant, the researchers increased the network density, tightening the molecular network. “This normally makes the material harder and more brittle,� explains Mechtel.

The first scratches only occur at higher loads but brittle fractures occur much, much sooner. The researchers’ goal was therefore to increase the density of the network while keeping the glass transition temperature constant. They made very specific changes to the composition of the raw material components. The result: the coating is better protected against not only plastic deformation but also brittle fracture.

What does this mean for car owners?

Fewer scratches occur in the car wash and those that do are small, self-healing blemishes. “With longer heat phases, residual gloss can recover from 70 to 80 percent back up to 90 percent,� says Mechtel. The researchers are now working on making the scratches disappear in cold weather and not just during the summer.





Coating in motion



The scratch resistance of coatings is tested using the “nanoscratch� method. A very fine metal tip is drawn with increasing pressure over the surface. At very high pressure, the transition occurs between plastic deformation and brittle fracture. This transition is then visualized using optical or atomic force microscopy.





Plastic deformation



Deformation scratches are no problem for the new coating. At high temperatures, sunshine causes the coating to flow into the scratch, largely returning the surface to its original smooth state.





Source: Bayer Research
 
Grouse said:
BMW thinks you'll take a shine to this



Car wash

Soap opera: car washing could be a lot different in the future.

Other Top stories



* Mighty Murano makeover

* Ford and Holden's turbo hatches compared

* Astra's split personality

* Fuels of the future on display at world forum



09 June 2006



Paul Gover



The car you never have to polish is on the way. It promises to be a boon for anyone who has to battle the bucket for weekend car-wash duties in drought conditions.



BMW is working hard on a matt finish paint that will end the drudgery and could rewrite the rules on car styling and presentation.



It made the first move with its M Coupe concept at the Frankfurt Motor Show last year and, after a lot of interest from potential customers, is fast-tracking development of the new paint.



BMW says it wants to be first but has to overcome many problems, from applying the paint in factories to preserving it against everything from sap and tar to fingerprints.



"Surfaces on the vehicle turn to sculpture with this paint," Z4 Coupe project manager Timo Gobel says.



He gave the update at the preview of the Z4 Coupe in Portugal. BMW displayed a bodyshell with the same matt finish as the Frankfurt car.



"It is a big technical challenge," Gobel says. "There are many changes necessary, from the factory paintshop to caring for the finish.



"We have no idea yet on how we will be able to repair it."



He says research is moving into testing on everything from durability to protecting the paint without detracting from the matt finish.



"It will be some time before this paint is available," Gobel says.



The Z4 Coupe comes in another big year for BMW, which already has the Z4 M Roadster on sale in Australia and will have the latest 3-Series Coupe in showrooms before the end of the year.



It ran a full-scale media driving program for the red-hot M Coupe model, including laps at the Estoril circuit once used for Formula One.



It also showed the "civilian" 3.0si model, though there was no car for road-testing and the display model was customised to highlight the choices available from BMW's Individual division.



Both cars will be available in Australia about September, with the si model less than $100,000 and the Z4 M Coupe about $125,000.



Herald-Sun
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I would expect a publishing firm like the Herald knows how to spell MATTE... geez...
 
I didn't read all the post that were made, but....

what if paint transfer is involved, will it heal itself over the other paint?
 
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