Breaking Zaino news...

Thank You.



CS had a learning curve, and I'm trying to share.



For example, when I first used CS, I tried applying it with a German foam, Meg's foam, Zaino cotton, and MF applicator -and got varying results from all of them. It drove me NUTS! I tried several more times, and still, it stumped me. Sometimes it was *Perfect* others it was not. After a lot of trial and error I found..... for CS to dry optically clear you need to have a few things in place:



a) Dry surface.

If you pick up water drips, or apply to damp paint, CS repels the moisture and doesn't dry properly.



b) You have to wipe ALL polish residue off of your paint -or- BETTER stated, QD or ISO your surface prior to applying CS. I got lazy, and it caused problems.

I thought I was removing all residue from my paint after polishing, but when I shut my garage doors, turned off the lights, and placed a flashlight on my paint in full dark, I had very faint polish residue in places, which was smearing over the paint during CS application. An ISO wipe, or Z6 wipe takes care of it.



c) Start with a fresh applicator.



That means a brand new, never used, never washed applicator.



Applicators that had been washed out or used with other products, etc... would all transfer to the paint and cause a haze. Since then, I've been using 1 applicator for my paint, glass, lighting, and trim, and another for my wheels. I keep them in a zip lock bag. If they pick up dirt, etc.. I retire them to tire dressing chores.



If you think about it, CS REALLY shows just how well you prep your surface. If you leave something behind, it will show it. It's actually helped me pay more attention, because I tested A LOT on black paint, and you guys know how unforgiving black is.
 
John,

I had similiar trials with different applicators, even though Sal instructed to use cotton (new) applicators. I too was curious and wanted to test other possiblities.



Sponge(new) - failed - the cheapest alternative for one-time usage. :(

MF (new) - ok but too expensive to use a new one after each session.

Cotton - works great. Easily found locally with good quality.



This is a very important point presented by John (MGM). An old but clean appearing applicator will produce a hazy or not CS clear appearance from embedded residual (wax, sealant, QD, detergent, water contaminates, etc).

Beta-testing can be soooo frustrating some times. Our errors will save others from similiar misfortunes.
 
Bence said:
This new applicator part is a massive :grinno: :rolleyes:



Bence, Maybe it's 'routine' for others, and not for me. When I wash applictors by hand, then double wash them in the machine with detergent & vinegar 99% of the time they work fine for reuse on most any product. CS was the exception for me.



Sorry if I re-stated the obvious for many. It wasn't 'clear' to me for a while.
 
good info, that new applicator deal may not appeal to everyone. I am not sure it does to me really yet.



the product sounds great, except for the new applicator each time. call me a cheap ***, but I don't like the ZFX thing either but at least an applicator is cheaper than the vials :(



thanks for the honest detailed information :xyxthumbs
 
MattPersman said:
good info, that new applicator deal may not appeal to everyone. I am not sure it does to me really yet.



the product sounds great, except for the new applicator each time. call me a cheap ***, but I don't like the ZFX thing either but at least an applicator is cheaper than the vials :(



thanks for the honest detailed information :xyxthumbs



This is how Zaino functions. Test products to the Nth degree and after instruct everyone how to properly use them to achieve maximal results.



This information will be in the instructions and likely on the website. Like some beta testers, people will not adhere to this requirement (testing for faults) and than jump up and down that the product did not function as stated. It would best that this "non-adhering" to instruction user not purchase this product.



The only non-detailing analogy I can think of is someone not purchasing a hi-performance automobile because it requires premium fuel. Sometimes there is a small additional price for performance. Ante-up or buy the econo-box if the price per gallon is the deciding factor or the hi-performance machine and use regular fuel and never feel its full potential. :nixweiss
 
MattPersman said:
good info, that new applicator deal may not appeal to everyone. I am not sure it does to me really yet.



the product sounds great, except for the new applicator each time. call me a cheap ***, but I don't like the ZFX thing either but at least an applicator is cheaper than the vials :(



thanks for the honest detailed information :xyxthumbs



MattPersman:

I don't use a 'new' applicator each time.



I've been getting 5+ uses per applicator on the paint, and 3-4 on the wheels, per each side of the applicator. I store them each in separate zip lock bags for re-use, and haven't found myself spending a lot of $ on applicator pads . I hope this helps, or at least adds some clarity.



One other thing to add, on an above post from me regarding QD & ISO wipes..



I use ISO to wipe the paint after *polishing*. If you ISO wipe over a LSP, you risk removing the product. In all other cases, I QD (prefer Z6, but others work also), before applying CS.
 
wannafbody said:
Does CS work best by spritzing it directly on the paint or by spraying it on the applicator?



Misting directly to the paint works best for me.



I've primed the pad with CS before starting, and also started with a dry pad, and can't tell much of a difference.
 
mgm121499 said:
I have CS over PS on my hood, CS over Z-AIO on the vertical panels, and the roof is still 'virgin' CS. If the weather holds true I'll take a few shots to post up.



Very good idea, I'm looking forward to seeing those shots....



Excellent product information for all of us, thanks mgm.........:xyxthumbs
 
Dave1 said:
Very good idea, I'm looking forward to seeing those shots....



Excellent product information for all of us, thanks mgm.........:xyxthumbs



Thank You Dave1.



What do you expect to see from 'those shots'?



A beading pattern different from product 'x', or something else? Just curious.
 
Just to chime in where others have, I also use the cotton pad, and the NEW part is a must or a slight haze appears. I have also tried foam and had success. I store the applicator, after use, in a plastic bag.



Greg
 
mgm121499 said:
Thank You Dave1.



What do you expect to see from 'those shots'?



A beading pattern different from product 'x', or something else? Just curious.

Exactly.....that and some more of your very informative comments....



I can't feel it but, you could tell us how the surfaces may vary when wet or dry. Since you've done several black cars I'd be curious to find out what your personal preference in steps and products are that gave you the most desirable look in your eyes......
 
I'd like to see how well it looks. Will it be as close to a deeper wetter look?



Beading doesn't really interest me, but the full look is what I'm trying to obtain.



Z5-Pro/Z2-Pro with Z8 is getting closer to deeper wetter look, very very close. Not quite a full carnuba look to it. It does have that nice reflective look without looking like the much older Zaino or Rejex which have the plastic wrap look. Thank God that's gone!



The best test will be on a black finish.



Regards,

Deanski
 
mgm121499 said:
MattPersman:

I don't use a 'new' applicator each time.



I've been getting 5+ uses per applicator on the paint, and 3-4 on the wheels, per each side of the applicator. I store them each in separate zip lock bags for re-use, and haven't found myself spending a lot of $ on applicator pads . I hope this helps, or at least adds some clarity.



One other thing to add, on an above post from me regarding QD & ISO wipes..



I use ISO to wipe the paint after *polishing*. If you ISO wipe over a LSP, you risk removing the product. In all other cases, I QD (prefer Z6, but others work also), before applying CS.



thank you mgm. real information instead of saying you don't need to buy it because you are probably not going to conform to the directions. personally I would see it as rediculous to use a new pad each time, but that,s just me, unless they were throwing in a 10 pack when you bought the CS and making the product a few bucks more expensive
 
wannafbody said:
Does CS work best by spritzing it directly on the paint or by spraying it on the applicator?



I mist the applicator but either method will work in a calm environment. If you detail outside and if there is a breeze, it would be best to mist the applicator.



Maybe this is why I get soo many coats/oz?:heelclick
 
MattPersman said:
thank you mgm. real information instead of saying you don't need to buy it because you are probably not going to conform to the directions. personally I would see it as rediculous to use a new pad each time, but that,s just me, unless they were throwing in a 10 pack when you bought the CS and making the product a few bucks more expensive



Sorry for being tooo direct but it is important to use a new pad or unused portion of a previously used pad. From my testing it was difficult to distinquished which portion of the pad was previously used. My fear of re-using a used pad that may have dried CS that is not noticable tactically may create micro-marring. I'm anal like that when it comes my my finishes.

I am sure along the way we will discover a way to cleanse these pads to a point where performance will not require such analness or requirement of a new pad.



Remember this is a very durable LSP sealant and frequent application is not required and a Z8 session will bring back all the desired bling with each wash. 2-3 pads a year is not very much to request for maximal performance.:sadwavey:
 
Deanski said:
I'd like to see how well it looks. Will it be as close to a deeper wetter look?



Beading doesn't really interest me, but the full look is what I'm trying to obtain.



Z5-Pro/Z2-Pro with Z8 is getting closer to deeper wetter look, very very close. Not quite a full carnauba look to it. It does have that nice reflective look without looking like the much older Zaino or Rejex which have the plastic wrap look. Thank God that's gone!



The best test will be on a black finish.



Regards,

Deanski
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Deano -Here are the pics that I posted up on another board:



The silver Dodge is wearing Z2Pro & CS

My wife's black Tahoe is dressed in Z5Pro & CS

My 70 year old Mother-In-Laws Vette (LOL) has CS directly over ZPC Fusion Polish.



2005 Dodge Full Size PU:



Driver-2.jpg


Flake.jpg


Popper.jpg




2003 Z71 Tahoe:

IMG_0682-1.jpg


IMG_0674.jpg




1986 Corvette

keep3.jpg


keep4-garage.jpg




TigerMike -Have a look on the other DC board if you want to see a few beading shots. There is a BMW posted up. I washed the Tahoe this evening before this weekends rain, so I'm not pulling out that mammoth beast for a few shots, just to wash it again. Hope you understand :)
 
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