blatant autopia myths.....

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I agree with the myth about OTC products being inferior to "boutique" products. I happen to think #26 is a superior product as are 3M SMR and IHG. And lets not forget, you can get S100 at any Harley dealership. No need to do mail order on that one. In any case, one man's OTC is another man's specialized product. e.g. Scottwax can get all the #80 or DACP by going to his Meguiar's distributor. If I wanted those products, I would have to do mail order.



Is it just me or has this thread become another NXT-bashing thread?
 
;) Here goes ! Take some epoxy. Rub it out on a surface. Let it sit til it cures. Take some more epoxy, spread it out. While the second patch of epoxy is still fresh, take some alcohol or acetone and wipe both area's..... The uncured epoxy should come off. The cured epoxy should not.... My point is that the cleaning ability of a product is not inherent proof that the product will not "layer". Once the state of the chemical polymer changes (cures), so do the properties under some conditions. The chemicals which work on oxydized paint, might not work to remove the cured product.... I think NXT is layerable, but not (in terms of slickness,reflectivity) that durable....:nixweiss



It is likely that such a change of state is employed in some "cleaner" products to enhance their appeal to the casual user. I see NXT as a 2 step product in this regard, but the application is a compound one. Cleaner on bare paint, sealer over itself.. :xyxthumbs
 
Shiny Lil Detlr said:
Umm... well it doesn't have "abrasives" in it AFAIK -- I think they're actually chemical-based cleaners. It would have a more "gritty" feel and dust alot more if it had abrasives.
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Just because a product has abrasives does NOT mean it would feel gritty and dust up a lot. Do cleaner waxes feel gritty when rubbed between your fingers? Certainly not the ones I've used (Like Meguiar's and Mothers CW). Nor do the cleaner waxes I've used dust up excessively. Granted, the abrasives in NXT are a LOT more specialized and mild than what one would find in a cleaner wax, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have any abrasives.



Here's a quote from a certain someone who initially told us NXT had no abrasives and then later had to retract that statement, "NXT Tech Wax has a specialized abrasive/cleaner that enables it to eliminate fine scratches. The way it does this is the same way #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 eliminates swirls, and that is it partially removes them and it partially fills them in."



Personally, I think NXT has FAR less abrasives than #9, but you get the point.
 
"Then again Souveran and P21s durability stinks."



I find they do as well as many of my other carnauba waxes. In hot weather carnauba will only last 6-8 weeks. I doubt you can do much better than that, and anyway in an Autopian universe don't we all want to have to wax in 2 months anyway? It's fun and quick with the "easy on/easy off" nature of these boutique waxes.
 
I guess the one that I see that I hate is how a lot of folks state that the OTC products are so inferior to those that you get at our typical Autopian online stores. There are a lot of products that we use that are OTC that are great.



I guess the best policy, which I am guilty of, is dont make blanket statements. There are always three sides to a story, three opinons on a topic, and often skewed.
 
SilverLexus said:
"Then again Souveran and P21s durability stinks."



I find they do as well as many of my other carnauba waxes. In hot weather carnauba will only last 6-8 weeks. I doubt you can do much better than that, and anyway in an Autopian universe don't we all want to have to wax in 2 months anyway? It's fun and quick with the "easy on/easy off" nature of these boutique waxes.
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Actually, one month.:D
 
SilverLexus said:
"The fact is that boutique soaps and waxes and other chemicals are made and sold by smaller businesses that can use higher end ingredients and do smaller batches or runs for the highest quality.
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Wow! I guess this must be true because these smaller "boutique businesses" have more money and better connections so they can buy the "higher end ingredients" that the big companies with millions can't afford/find? Obviously these big companies wouldn't be able to dictate how large or small of a batch run they want because they're so big, right? Though I don't necessarily disagree with what I think is trying to be communicated here, I believe this is how these myths are started. :confused:
 
GearHead_1 said:
I believe this is how these myths are started. :confused:
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No, it means that in general larger OTC-type companies use ingredients and batches that are more cost efficient in order to make their product affordable to the OTC consumer. Botuique products are typically targeted at a different consumer; one who is willing to pay a higher price for products of higher quality/standards.
 
The biggest myth of all....



That threads like this won't turn into a train wreck.



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I think we got way off the myths and into preferrences.
 
ZaneO said:
No, it means that in general larger OTC-type companies use ingredients and batches that are more cost efficient in order to make their product affordable to the OTC consumer. Boutique products are typically targeted at a different consumer; one who is willing to pay a higher price for products of higher quality/standards.
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It's also true that the larger OTC-type companies are profit driven, and before some genius reminds me that the boutique manufacturers are also profit driven (which I sure hope they are :D ), pressures to maintain or increase profit margins increase tremendously when you're a mass marketer. That's going to absolutely affect both the type pf ingredients purchased and the manufacturing process. It's like comparing a Ford Focus or Honda Civic to a Ferrari.
 
Scottwax said:
The biggest myth of all....



That threads like this won't turn into a train wreck.



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I think we got way off the myths and into preferrences.
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Really???? Ya think????
 
SilverLexus said:
"Then again Souveran and P21s durability stinks."



I find they do as well as many of my other carnauba waxes. In hot weather carnauba will only last 6-8 weeks. I doubt you can do much better than that, and anyway in an Autopian universe don't we all want to have to wax in 2 months anyway? It's fun and quick with the "easy on/easy off" nature of these boutique waxes.
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I completely diagree. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Souveran and use it all the time. I'm lucky if I get 4 weeks out of it here in Jersey.



But there is no way that Souveran or P21s lasts as long as #16, Blitz or Collinite.



That's a myth ;)
 
Not even paint lasts long as collinite, lol. But for real, I don't get much durabilty from nuba products, and I never have. I think pink might give some good durabilty because of the added polymers, but they still fall far short of sealants.
 
ZaneO said:
No, it means that in general larger OTC-type companies use ingredients and batches that are more cost efficient in order to make their product affordable to the OTC consumer. Botuique products are typically targeted at a different consumer; one who is willing to pay a higher price for products of higher quality/standards.
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Oh, thanks for the clarification. :cool:
 
"Wow! I guess this must be true because these smaller "boutique businesses" have more money and better connections so they can buy the "higher end ingredients" that the big companies with millions can't afford/find? Obviously these big companies wouldn't be able to dictate how large or small of a batch run they want because they're so big, right?"



Wow, where to begin...smaller companies, particularly owner/operators, often (not always) put more care into their products. They can also serve a more upscale niche market like Pinnacle that is selling $70/jar waxes. On the other hand, larger companies often go for larger markets where emphasis may be more on value and distribution than pure results. Megs actually does a decent job at both as does Mothers which is much smaller but in my personal experience this is an exception.



"But there is no way that Souveran or P21s lasts as long as #16, Blitz or Collinite."



Yes, but it kicks butt looks wise over these. ;)



I routinely got 6-7 weeks last year in the heat of July Atlanta sun with both P21S and Souveran.



Let's look at the empirical evidence from Guru Reports:

(Durability scores from Wax Test)

Megs#16 C+

Collinite 476 B+

Collinite Marque D'Elegance B+

Blitz One Grand C+

P21S B-

Souveran C



Looks like they did well in this test versus others.
 
Here's another myth that really irks me. I've heard it said that I don't know everything. That is a myth that I would like to dispell right now. I do, in fact, know everything. :D And someone else said I wasn't the center of the universe. I think we all know that isn't true. If it wasn't my whim then the sun wouldn't rise at all. Let's all just try to get our facts straight. :D



Actually, I am curious why Scott hasn't spoken up about the myth that swirls cannot be removed by hand. I've seen his work and it is only because I have seen his work that I can say you can actually remove swirls by hand. However, I have also seen what Scott looks like.... Unless you have shoulders like him then I really wouldn't expect you to be able to accomplish what he does. I don't ever want to hear that it is impossible to remove swirls by hand though. That is a common myth that I hear all over the internet. Its simply not true.
 
Tony-I must have missed the mention of swirl removal by hand. You can do it but with new paints getting harder it isn't nearly as easy as it used to be. Early to mid 90s paints aren't particularly hard and that is what I was dealing with when I started.



When I was at the Meguiars/Autopia meet, I was able to prove to Mike Phillips you can generate quite a bit of heat when polishing by hand (using a folded terry cloth towel). :)
 
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