Blackfire WD - Application Method.....

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imported_Luster

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I've been using Blackfire Wet Diamond for a few months now, and it's a very impressive product.

I have applied both by hand and by PC with excellent success.

QUESTION: For hand application, has anyone (besides me:biggrin:) used a spritz of water either on the pad or on the paint, to make spreading the product faster and easier?

I started doing this because I found, when applying multiple coats of BFWD, the surface was slow slick, the next coat spread better with a little lubrication.

I reallize that this is not the "RECOMMENDED" method. But I have achieve great results and increased my application speed by using the water spritz method.

The finish is just a slick and shiny as it is when not using a spray of water.


The next time you use BFWD, just try a spritz of water on one side of the hood, and apply without the water on the other side and compare.

If there's a reason not to do this, I'd like to know.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
I haven't tried BFWD yet, but from what I've learned from using other products is that sometimes using a damp applicator does indeed help to apply the product more easily. Bill, if you'd like to send me your bottle I would be more than happy to test this method, to reinforce your findings. :clap: Am I :out:? Perhaps, but you can't blame me for trying. :D
 
RustyBumper said:
I haven't tried BFWD yet, but from what I've learned from using other products is that sometimes using a damp applicator does indeed help to apply the product more easily. Bill, if you'd like to send me your bottle I would be more than happy to test this method, to reinforce your findings. :clap: Am I :out:? Perhaps, but you can't blame me for trying. :D
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Haha.... well, I would, except that I use it too much. I might go into withdrawl.:D
 
Very cool observation! I havent used my WD yet but will be on monday, so I will have to give this a try. :thumbup:

quick question, what is the drying time like with WD?
 
John M. said:
Very cool observation! I havent used my WD yet but will be on monday, so I will have to give this a try. :thumbup:

quick question, what is the drying time like with WD?
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You can actually remove it immediately. You don't have to wait for it to dry. Some people let it dry for 30 minutes to 1 hour. But I apply to the whole car, then wipe immediately. Works great!:biggrin:
 
I have found no difference in cure time adding gloss. I did not gain anything in the looks dept. letting the product sit overnight before wiping off. I also don't know if I have added anything in the bonding abilities letting the product sit overnight ether.

I know the longer cure times are noted on other sealants from other manufactures. I would like to know your input in these areas as well...


Sorry, The BFWD looks great whatever the process...Director
 
Hmmm?!

I'll have to try a damp applicator next weekend on my second coat. I usually go dry with Blackfire. With other sealants like Collinite damp is a must. Should work with Blackfire too I guess.


:White Horse:
 
why not use BF spritz sealant to prime the pad with instead of using water? Water will drown polymers in that sealant, and affect durability, where it won't be the case with spritz sealant...
 
As long as PAC gets my BF kit to me by Thursday (please please please) I'm going to try this out on both Volvos this Thursday and Friday and I plan on trying your wet pad method.

Bill, I'm sure you've done it both ways, would you suggest applying it by hand or machine? I have both Thurs and Fri off and plan to do a car a day, so I won't be pressed for time or anything, so take that out of the equation.

I plan on doing a dawn wash/clay bar/polish/sealant/gloss enhancer spray, all BF products.
 
Husker Z said:
Bill, I'm sure you've done it both ways, would you suggest applying it by hand or machine? .
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Corvettes and small cars, I apply by hand. Larger vehicles by machine.

If I have the PC out anyway for polishing, I'll use it to apply BFWD even on smaller cars because it goes very fast!
 
bill buxton said:
I have found no difference in cure time adding gloss. I did not gain anything in the looks dept. letting the product sit overnight before wiping off. I also don't know if I have added anything in the bonding abilities letting the product sit overnight ether.

I know the longer cure times are noted on other sealants from other manufactures. I would like to know your input in these areas as well...

Sorry, The BFWD looks great whatever the process...Director
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Just some input...

Blackfire Wet Diamond should not be applied with a damp applicator as the water (or excess water) will have some effect on the chemical bonding in the product. By the same token I am not recommending that you shouldn't use water if it helps, but there is potential for the product to not work optimally if you choose to do so.

To answer the question from the quote that I 'bolded', there is a difference between cure time and dry time.

Dry time is the amount of time it takes for the product to flash (the majority of the solvents out gas and you are left with a very fine solid on the surface).

Cure time is the amount of time it takes for the product to fully harden and cross link (this usually occurs after the excess product has been removed).

Allowing the product to set up overnight or for an extended period of time should offer no benefit to the process, because the only part of sealant that bonds is the super thin layer that actually is contact with the paint.

So if we apply the product the paint and let it dry to a haze, we no have a thick layer of useless product sitting on top of the product that has bonded to the paint. This could slow the curing process to some degree, so it is actually ideal to remove the product with some speed.

As noted you can let Wet Diamond dry (haze) or remove it will still wet (the thin, microscopic layer that 'bonds' to the paint does so almost upon contact). Once the residue is removed it begins to cure.

How long to let it cure? Heat and humidity will affect this, so as a full proof suggestion, we recommend 12-24 hours. Realistically this occurs much faster (unless you are in a frozen tundra or the Brazilian Rainforrest). Apply two coats with little cure time in between isn't going to cause any problems and still will provide a measurable benefit, it just might not be the maximum benefit.

So wait as long as you can and don't sweat it. :"D
 
Luster said:
Corvettes and small cars, I apply by hand. Larger vehicles by machine.

If I have the PC out anyway for polishing, I'll use it to apply BFWD even on smaller cars because it goes very fast!
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Thanks, I was just curious more than anything.
 
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