BFWD over pre wax cleaners?

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I have been using the Poorboys Polish with Carnuba Blue for a while as a prewax. I find that works well at getting off any muck, grime, and tar that washing does not get. Its not abrasive and seems to really add gloss to darker vehicles, I guess thats the carnuba in it. Anyways I want to use BFWD on the vehicle I am doing soon, but it needs good cleaning to the finish not a correction. If I use the Poorboys polish, will the carnuba in it make applying BFWD a waste of time? I know I could do an IPA or something to be 100% sure, but I am working on a time constraint so I could use a cleaner that works well where I can go straight to BFWD. I do have some of the Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish, but this stuff seems kind of oily where it is more intended to add gloss than actualy clean the surface. Will BF GEP work at cleaning light contaminants, bugs, tar, grime, etc? What is best to use prior to BFWD, and still has the cleaning strength without being abrasive?
 
I may have to give the KAIO a try then. Anyone else here happen to try the KAIO combination with BFWD? Just wondering if the acrylic properties of KAIO will hinder the durability or look of BFWD?
 
RedlineIRL-IMO the BF GEP is an OK paint cleaner. If I were still using BF for my LSP I'd probably just use it (the GEP).



A few "but"s, however...



-I wouldn't expent that step to take care of tar/bugs/etc. I'd handle those earlier in the process (almost certainly as as part of the wash)

-I wouldn't be completely set on using [a certain LSP], but rather would determine the right overall approach to the vehicle

-If I had concerns about my LSP and the penultimate step getting along, I'd sure chose a different combo, one that I *knew* would work out. If you're under a time constraint you don't want something to go haywire at the LSP step

-While I don't recall ever trying it, and I've never used the current BF (only the "pre wet diamond" stuff), I can't imagine it not getting along with KAIO
 
Accumulator said:
RedlineIRL-IMO the BF GEP is an OK paint cleaner. If I were still using BF for my LSP I'd probably just use it (the GEP).



A few "but"s, however...



-I wouldn't expent that step to take care of tar/bugs/etc. I'd handle those earlier in the process (almost certainly as as part of the wash)

-I wouldn't be completely set on using [a certain LSP], but rather would determine the right overall approach to the vehicle

-If I had concerns about my LSP and the penultimate step getting along, I'd sure chose a different combo, one that I *knew* would work out. If you're under a time constraint you don't want something to go haywire at the LSP step

-While I don't recall ever trying it, and I've never used the current BF (only the "pre wet diamond" stuff), I can't imagine it not getting along with KAIO
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In your experience, does the BF GEP do just as good of job as KAIO when it comes to cleaning the finish prior to applying an LSP? Or is the BF GEP more of a filling glaze with not cleaning to it?



What is your reccomendation for applying it by hand? The labeling says to apply the product to a damp microfiber applicator, but everyone has their own way of doing things. Do find it necessary to dampen the pad? The product seems pretty liquid as it is.



If it stacks up to KAIO, I'll just go with all BF just to keep it consistent.:)
 
My favorite pre-cleaners are in my preference are, Menzerna Finish Polish PO85RD, SONAX Premium Class Paint Cleaner, and ClearKote Red Moose Machine Glaze. I really like the Sonax as I have only used it once but it did a awesome job. Use a finishing pad if you don't need any correction.



If you don't want to purchase another product the BFGEP is ok.
 
RedlineIRL said:
In your experience, does the BF GEP do just as good of job as KAIO when it comes to cleaning the finish prior to applying an LSP?
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Probably not as good as KAIO, but eh...I've never really used an AIO to clean anything all *that* nasty so I can't really say.



Or is the BF GEP more of a filling glaze with not cleaning to it?
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It's not like it's either all about being a filling glaze or it's all/not about being a cleaner; it can be OK in both regards.



Heh heh, I'm starting to think that the vehicle in question might need some pretty aggressive work!



What is your reccomendation for applying it by hand? The labeling says to apply the product to a damp microfiber applicator, but everyone has their own way of doing things. Do find it necessary to dampen the pad? The product seems pretty liquid as it is.
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I don't dampen the pad, I just use the GEP all by itself. Not that I'm right/they're wrong or anything...



If it stacks up to KAIO, I'll just go with all BF just to keep it consistent.:)
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As long as you're not asking a lot too much of it, I think it'll work out OK.
 
I've used both GEP and KAIO, and IMO, GEP isn't as good a cleaner as KAIO. I'd also not use GEP with a wet applicator - makes an unholy mess that required some effort to get off. Found I got best results when applied with a non-damp MF applicator pad(working in a little) and then removing immediately after (there some instructions online that tell you to let it haze, but that just makes it harder to remove).
 
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