Getting ready for winter and just did a black Infinity G35 coupe. My question is should I stick with two coats of BFWD or top it with a thin layer of collinite 845? I know Col is a cleaner wax and it looks great when I do lighter cars, I was always under the impression that was the way to go for winter. Since it's such a nice car should I just do two coats of BFWD? Massachusetts is the place and we're getting snow next week which means salt.
BFWD or COL845 over BFWD?
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BIOLINK
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I have personally never used BFWD with Collinite 845. I find a few coats of either work well by themselves. The durability of either one is really good. IMO I would simply layer a few thin coats and stick with it. But that's just me. That being said I have topped BFWD with Midnight Sun :drool: Beyond that combo, I leave BFWD alone.
TroyScherer
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IME #845 is not a cleaner wax. Although it is heavy with solvents.
I am currently testing the Durability for BFWD as in the past I have used Menz PowerLock topped with #845 for the winters here in Ohio. So far I like the look of BFWD but so far am not convinced it will be able to withstand the salt and harsh winter conditions. Only testing will tell.
IMO if you want a tested and proved option I would go with #845.
I am currently testing the Durability for BFWD as in the past I have used Menz PowerLock topped with #845 for the winters here in Ohio. So far I like the look of BFWD but so far am not convinced it will be able to withstand the salt and harsh winter conditions. Only testing will tell.
IMO if you want a tested and proved option I would go with #845.
I agree, applying 845 over BFWD will only remove the BFWD or at least most of it. To the OP, either or my friend.
Time 2 shine
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This is copied from the collinite website. Please not the blue highlight area.
No. 845 Insulator Wax
-LAST STEP AUTOMOTIVE GEL WAX-
1. Function: Last step product for use on exterior vehicle finishes
• Enhances look and appearance
• Preserves and protects condition of finish against weathering/elements.
• Not designed to clean, remove or otherwise mask blemishes or imperfections; swirls, scratches,
oxidation, etc that are embedded in finish such that regular wash will not remove.
• Contains no abrasives or cleaners.
2. Recommended for:
• CLEAN, unblemished clear-coat, lacquer, and single stage auto paint, gel coat, fiberglass, and painted,
non-coated/coated metals (aluminum, chrome, brass, copper, stainless steel).
2a. NOT for use on:
• Rubber, black trim, vinyl, glass or non-painted plastic
• Surfaces NOT recommended above, as testing has yet to be extensively conducted. Refer to Collinite
directly with application inquiries.
3. Directions for use:
• Shake well before using
• Apply THIN coat of wax with foam pad or synthetic sponge to a CLEAN, small section no larger than
3X3 ft at a time.
• When wax begins to dry (light, hazy residue will appear on surface), remove thoroughly with dry
microfiber towel or cotton cloth.
3a. Application/Tech Tips:
• Use in a well-ventilated area with protective eyewear and gloves
• Applicator pads and removal towels should be clean, free of residue and changed frequently
• Only apply to a CLEAN surface; washed, and free of blemishes, discoloration or other imperfections like
swirls or scratches. A clean/properly-prepped surface will ease the application/removal process;
improving spread and increasing durability of wax’s bond.
• Do NOT apply wax to entire vehicle, or sections larger than recommended before removing, as
prolonged drying or cure times may lead to wax hardening on surface; causing streaking or difficulty for
some users to remove properly. User assumes risk if recommended cure times are exceeded.
• Drying times may vary based on conditions (air and surface temperature, humidity, wind, sunlight etc).
• Avoid applying in direct sunlight, or extreme temperatures (over 80 degrees F or less than 55 degrees
F). Surface temperatures should be, or feel lukewarm-room temperature to the touch. Do not apply if
surface feels cold or hot to the touch.
• If thinner product viscosity is desired, place capped No. 845 bottle in a warm-hot bucket of water for 5-
10 minutes to loosen consistency. Remove and shake thoroughly.
• Safe to use with machine buffer if experienced. Check machine manufacturer’s speed/pad
specifications for last step protective waxes that contain no cleaners, abrasives or filling agents.
• To further maintain the look and durability of the waxed finish between wax applications, use a car wash
soap that is pH neutral and gentle on the paint with no grease-cutting properties. These soaps facilitate
a streak-free shine while helping to preserve the applied wax. Avoid heavy detergents or low-grade
soaps.
4. Additional
• Store product at room temperature away from fire or flame
• Discard product if exposed to frozen temperatures
• Keep cap or lid on product when not in use
• Do not alter product’s composition or original packaging in any way
• SPREAD/COVERAGE: Depending on finish and conditions, one 16 oz bottle for every 6-12 mid-sized
cars.
5. Safety
See MSDS
6. Physical
Product consistency: liquid-gel/soft paste*
Sizes available: 16 fluid oz
*Product viscosity / thickness is subject to a slight range based on temperature. If more liquid consistency is desired,
submerge bottle (capped) in a warm-hot pot of water for 5 minutes. Then shake the bottle vigorously with your thumb tightly
on the cap for one full minute.
The added heat and friction from shaking will warm the bottle’s contents and the creamy or liquid consistency will be formed.
In the colder months of the year, the thicker 845 is now the norm if not altered by the aforementioned methods.
No. 845 Insulator Wax
-LAST STEP AUTOMOTIVE GEL WAX-
1. Function: Last step product for use on exterior vehicle finishes
• Enhances look and appearance
• Preserves and protects condition of finish against weathering/elements.
• Not designed to clean, remove or otherwise mask blemishes or imperfections; swirls, scratches,
oxidation, etc that are embedded in finish such that regular wash will not remove.
• Contains no abrasives or cleaners.
2. Recommended for:
• CLEAN, unblemished clear-coat, lacquer, and single stage auto paint, gel coat, fiberglass, and painted,
non-coated/coated metals (aluminum, chrome, brass, copper, stainless steel).
2a. NOT for use on:
• Rubber, black trim, vinyl, glass or non-painted plastic
• Surfaces NOT recommended above, as testing has yet to be extensively conducted. Refer to Collinite
directly with application inquiries.
3. Directions for use:
• Shake well before using
• Apply THIN coat of wax with foam pad or synthetic sponge to a CLEAN, small section no larger than
3X3 ft at a time.
• When wax begins to dry (light, hazy residue will appear on surface), remove thoroughly with dry
microfiber towel or cotton cloth.
3a. Application/Tech Tips:
• Use in a well-ventilated area with protective eyewear and gloves
• Applicator pads and removal towels should be clean, free of residue and changed frequently
• Only apply to a CLEAN surface; washed, and free of blemishes, discoloration or other imperfections like
swirls or scratches. A clean/properly-prepped surface will ease the application/removal process;
improving spread and increasing durability of wax’s bond.
• Do NOT apply wax to entire vehicle, or sections larger than recommended before removing, as
prolonged drying or cure times may lead to wax hardening on surface; causing streaking or difficulty for
some users to remove properly. User assumes risk if recommended cure times are exceeded.
• Drying times may vary based on conditions (air and surface temperature, humidity, wind, sunlight etc).
• Avoid applying in direct sunlight, or extreme temperatures (over 80 degrees F or less than 55 degrees
F). Surface temperatures should be, or feel lukewarm-room temperature to the touch. Do not apply if
surface feels cold or hot to the touch.
• If thinner product viscosity is desired, place capped No. 845 bottle in a warm-hot bucket of water for 5-
10 minutes to loosen consistency. Remove and shake thoroughly.
• Safe to use with machine buffer if experienced. Check machine manufacturer’s speed/pad
specifications for last step protective waxes that contain no cleaners, abrasives or filling agents.
• To further maintain the look and durability of the waxed finish between wax applications, use a car wash
soap that is pH neutral and gentle on the paint with no grease-cutting properties. These soaps facilitate
a streak-free shine while helping to preserve the applied wax. Avoid heavy detergents or low-grade
soaps.
4. Additional
• Store product at room temperature away from fire or flame
• Discard product if exposed to frozen temperatures
• Keep cap or lid on product when not in use
• Do not alter product’s composition or original packaging in any way
• SPREAD/COVERAGE: Depending on finish and conditions, one 16 oz bottle for every 6-12 mid-sized
cars.
5. Safety
See MSDS
6. Physical
Product consistency: liquid-gel/soft paste*
Sizes available: 16 fluid oz
*Product viscosity / thickness is subject to a slight range based on temperature. If more liquid consistency is desired,
submerge bottle (capped) in a warm-hot pot of water for 5 minutes. Then shake the bottle vigorously with your thumb tightly
on the cap for one full minute.
The added heat and friction from shaking will warm the bottle’s contents and the creamy or liquid consistency will be formed.
In the colder months of the year, the thicker 845 is now the norm if not altered by the aforementioned methods.
Bunky
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Avoid applying in direct sunlight, or extreme temperatures (over 80 degrees F or less than 55 degrees F). Surface temperatures should be, or feel lukewarm-room temperature to the touch. Do not apply if surface feels cold or hot to the touch.
I did not realize that 80 F was getting extreme.
I did not realize that 80 F was getting extreme.
umi000
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Indeed - the only time it drops to 80 F (around 27 C) over here is during night time.
BIOLINK
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I've applied it in 90+ temps with no problems. I have also applied to the entire car before removing contrary to the instructions and had no problems. I have found 845 easy to work with.
umi000
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Oh, I agree - the only time I've had an issue with 845 was when I applied under a cloud-covered but noon-time sky. Otherwise, despite just about every day here being considered "extreme conditions" (based on Collinite's definition - days average 91+ F over here), I've never had any problem with application.
CT3
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I've noticed that my bottle of 845 is looking awfully thin lately? It's extremely watery, anyone else have this same issue?
CT3
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Well it started out thick, but it thinned out after shaking it and running it under warm water. At that point it had a normal thickness to it. It's sitting with in a closet along with the rest of my products right now, and I'm noticing that it definitely looks like its thinning out.
I actually just went and checked it and it almost looked like it was separating in the bottle. I shook it a little and now it has a milky consistency to it.
Don't get me wrong, I love the stuff. In fact, I think after I use the rest of my waxes up I might make it my go to wax aside from a jar of BFMS or something for the garage queen.
BIOLINK
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The viscosity of 845 is largely dependent on temperature. Mine will thin and thicken all the time. It should be fine.
CT3
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^Cool, that's what I was thinking. It's a great wax!
Van185
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I have not tried the BFWD yet but the Collinite is proven in winter time in the Western NC mountains where I live it. It is one of the longest lasting waxes that I've tried. After all the salt and sand on the roads it still beads when I wash my vehicle. I'm still not ready for cold weather but I guess my vehicle is.
oldcracker
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ya y not just go straight 845, or even 2 coats of 845 lol
TroyScherer
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There is also a very informative and interesting thread over on AG about the possibility that #845 will actually remove the sealant you are trying to top due to it strong solvents...