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Just to follow up, I am in no way, shape, or form trying to argue with TOWGT or upset him. We simply do not agree, and while I immediately concede that his knowledge in chemistry far exceeds mine on a broad scale. My education goes as far as Chem I or whatever it was called in College (it's been a while). However, it is important for the members of this forum to understand that my answers have always been truthful and well researched.

As a case in point, I stand behind all of the comments I made on this thread, but I wanted to make sure that I was 100% correct in my statements, and again I really want this to be a place of 'Truth' in Detailing.
Mike Phillips from Meguiars said:
Also, as discussed on this forum in the past, the word polymer is a very vague term; all it means is a series of repeating monomers. Most people confuse polymer to mean synthetic but human skin is a type of polymer and so is Carnauba wax.
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First what is Carnauba wax made of?

Carnauba wax contains mainly esters of fatty acids (80-85%), fatty alcohols (10-16%), acids (3-6%) and hydrocarbons (1-3%).

What is a polymer?

A polymer composed of repeating structural units typically connected by covalent chemical bonds. These can be natural OR synthetic.

Interesting Polymers...

DNA is a polymer, which means that you body is full of polymers! Now you are protected against the sun and bird bombs :D, remember to apply DNA your entire surface and allow to cure completely.

The confusion or disagreement seems to stem from the use of the word polymer. It is often used to describe a synthetic component, but this is not the true definition. It is simply 'repeating structural units typically connected by a covalent bond'. Skin is made up of polymers, and so is carnauba wax. This doesn't mean that carnauba wax is going to cross link and bond (it doesn't) and neither does your skin.

People don't refer to Carnauba's as polymers, because in the car care field, the world polymer is often used to describe a synthetic, cross linking component. However, in the strictest sense of the definition, a carnauba is made of polymer components.

Sources:

http://ask.com
http://www.cem.msu.edu
http://www.materialsviews.com/
http://www.fao.org/ag/agn/jecfa-additives/specs/Monograph1/Additive-109.pdf
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If I am incorrect in my statements, then I would love to be corrected, regardless of whether I am a moderator or not. Learning is the number one priority!:wink:
 
I would like to apologise to TH0001 for making an unnecessarily sarcastic remark in this post because of a disagreement in chemical facts / terminology (feeble excuse-a very bad day, but none the less ?inexcusable)

I have sent a PM to TH0001 based on my research for various articles, which states my findings on the questions raised. If he feels it would be useful I will post it
 
I think most of this using broad terms around is to confuse the facts for marketing terms. for example, when something is "all natural" it usually gets accompanied with a higher price tag as if all natural was better than something that may not be all natural.

It is all part of the art of selling when there are a lot of competitors and looking for differentiation even when the competitors use the exact same technology.
 
th0001, in that test you mentioned they used Z. Royale. So, you can bump up the 2k number to 7-8k. :D Man that's expensive...

Royale finished 3rd behind BOS, and 915. Z-2 was 5th. Then it was said that after a few hours of curing in the sun, they couldn't tell a difference in BOS, and 915.

It was a very interesting test.

th0001, I know you sell and market the Blackfire line, but I read you really liked P21s 100% when you tested it against some of the high end waxes, on those Ferrari's.

Do you still like the 100% as much?
 
One cool thing about getting old is that you remember a lot of stuff over the years. When I was growing up, the space program was big news, we would watch TV in school all day when a rocket was sent up, and I remember watching Neil Armstrong walk on the moon - it was also the first time my Dad let me stay up late and watch TV! So, over the years, products got "better" because of new "space age" ingrediants. And you still see teflon advertised in waxes, and other products whether it would matter or not. Like the oil commercial where the guys are making fun of other brands buzz words. And nothing compares to the fitness industry, just pick up a copy of Muscle & Steroid or go into a GNC, thank God I outgrew that phase in the 80's.

I think Todd has nailed the wax issue pretty well, not the first time either. I'm sure there's a few other on that "other" forum that still have there panties in a wad when told their 2K dollar wax costs a fraction to make. Me? Fancy names and packaging is just meaningless foo foo.
 
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