best sheeting LSP? (Florida heat and rain)

Pb2theMax said:
Yeah, AIO and SG hardly bead at all. Which is what makes Klasse hard to judge when it's lost its protection. I'd go with Klasse in FL. :2thumbs:
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Hmm, beads like a mofoer for me. :nixweiss Sure it was before you used the car soap, cuz most soaps have additives that make the water sheet.
 
Keep Pink Wax far far away from the sun when applying. Even though I apply with my PC and finishing pad a nice thin coat, it is a total PITA to get off my black car in the sun- did it once and that was it. Although some 425 will help buff it out, I recommend shade, as after it cures it buffs so easy.
 
There is a difference between sheeting and sitting water.



Therefor, NXT has been my best friend on my sisters car for 3 months now...
 
so joyride you're saying NXT has lasted 3 months? Is that just a single application? Has it been maintained in that time with anything?

Thanks.
 
I'd suggest NXT or M21 for a sheeting wax. I've personally had NXT last me through an uncharacteristically long SoCal rainy season a couple years ago. It lasted a good 4 months with no maintenance and zero washing during that time. When I finally washed it the water sheeted away nicely and didn't cling (as it would if there was no protection). It may have gone longer but after months of no detailing I needed to prep my car for the Spring. I've had very good results with NXT, but I do prefer the look and ease-of-use of M21 just a tiny bit more ;) BTW, that is NXT x2 12-24 hours apart and the car was garaged in between applications so that no moisture could affect the curing.



I have Werkstatt on my car now since I have a unhealthy need to always try new products ;) I can't speak on its sheeting or durability yet but I'll get a good indication after we start to get some rains here in SoCal. If it doesn't live up to my expectations I'm switching back to M21 in a heart beat...eh, I'll probably switch back in the Spring :D
 
I think you question should be, which products still looks great after a few rain storms. Something that does not attract dust or make water spots.



My vote goes to Zaino. My car looks like it was just washed after a rain storm.



Steve
 
Seems to me that carnuba softens in the Florida sun and becomes a short lived protectant. I think it makes sense that a polymer sealant would hold up better. I can't really speak to the sheeting vs. beading question. I think it's fascinating that some here report that NXT sheets because in other threads, folks feel NXT doesn't last very long. Since we have been conditioned to believe that beading determines that the LSP is still working, how do we tell if the paint is still protected if it merely sheets.



I'm thinking the only way to ensure paint protection is to apply an LSP every three months or sooner. Winters up here will just have to get shorter or I'll have to plan road trips south !



I'm going with the Klasse twins this winter hoping they stand tall in the face of CNY winter fun.
 
LangMan37 said:
I might be moving to florida and was thinking that with the daily rain florida receives that it would be better to have an LSP that sheets more so than beads. I know this would be likely a sealent but which one sheets the best and lasts the longest?

Thanks
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Kool - I just moved from Dearborn(MI) to Lake Worth(FL) and I was wondering the same thing. You're going to love the whether down here for keeping your car clean .It seems like it pours rain every day and believe it or not, it doesn't affect a freshly washed car too much. The roads are clean(unlike Michigan) and usually doesn't give an oily buildup on the finish like in Michigan after you drive though a storm. I haven't had a problem with water shops either on my gray and/or white car. Most of the cars down here are relatively clean compared to Michigan because your car stays cleaner longer.

Where in Florida are you moving to? If you are on the ocean, there is a salty residue that coats your car every day. This would require constant washing.
 
abbeysdad said:
I think it's fascinating that some here report that NXT sheets because in other threads, folks feel NXT doesn't last very long. Since we have been conditioned to believe that beading determines that the LSP is still working, how do we tell if the paint is still protected if it merely sheets.
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Easy, it just doesn't sheet as cleanly.



The main thing I don't like about NXT is relatively poor durability, but I love the sheeting action. To keep it at the point I like, I might have to apply it every few weeks. It has a light cleaning capability, so you can't layer it more than maybe 2 deep.
 
You may have to look out for sprinkler systems rather than rain. Each time I vacation to the area it seems like they have sprinklers everywhere . One time I parked on an end spot next to the curb (like always) and when I came out the sprinkler system was on and I had crazy spots! :mad: It also bothered me when the car was clean and I had to drive down roads which were soaked down by the sprinklers.



As far as your original question I haven't found anything that has good sheeting properties in the rain. Some seem like they sheet well when using a stream to dry the car but then it's a completely different story when you've got individual drops coming down on it.
 
SHICKS said:
I think you question should be, which products still looks great after a few rain storms. Something that does not attract dust or make water spots.



My vote goes to Zaino. My car looks like it was just washed after a rain storm.



Steve
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Hummm.........Instead of answering the man's question just tell him what question he should have asked?



Anyway, every carnauba that I've used has beaded during a rainstorm and the beads seem to stay on the car after it stops raining. I noticed that after a rain storm, the wax free cars parked around mine will dry very quick while mine will still have water beads on it. I don't think that the rain will sheet beading water off the car as well as an open hose will.
 
Just stating the obvious. Who cares if it sheets or beads, the idea is that it looks good after a rainstorm. I have tried tons of products and some look great after it rains and others not so good. There are all kinds of variables, dust, sun, acid rain, how long since the last layer of product and so on that will affect how a car looks between washes.



I am guessing from his post that he wants a product that stands up to an everyday rain shower and still looks good. :o



Zaino comes to mind, it's long lasting and seems to hold a decent shine between washes. FMJ and SG "sheet" very well if sheeting is what he wants. Of course YMMV. :2thumbs:



Thanks,

Steve



pogo123 said:
Hummm.........Instead of answering the man's question just tell him what question he should have asked?



Anyway, every carnauba that I've used has beaded during a rainstorm and the beads seem to stay on the car after it stops raining. I noticed that after a rain storm, the wax free cars parked around mine will dry very quick while mine will still have water beads on it. I don't think that the rain will sheet beading water off the car as well as an open hose will.
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I'd like to thank everyone for their input; pretty good stuff.

I asked the question not for my own vehicles but for my customers cars. I'm thinking about moving

my Detailing business there and was concerned about the daily rains I've heard about. My main concern was after finishing with their car while they are at work, (I'm mobile), the rain

would come and even though it would bead like crazy you would end up with standing water on the car when the sun came out and possible major water spotting issues.

I'm sorry I don't think I was clear on the topic in my 1st post. That was my concern and that is why I was thinking sheeting instead of major beads.

Now maybe you florida guys can tell me, on a protected car, after it has rained and the car has sat outside for a few hours in the sun, do you have the water spotting issues that I'm thinking you might?

I'm just not that informed of the daily rains and the sun that follows. I'm thinking the sun dries(bakes) the rain and you're left with a spotted car.

Is this accurate?

Thanks for all the replies.
 
oh yeah, the main reason also for this question was if a customer would say "You want to detail my car but it's going to rain in a few hours what about the standing water when the sun comes out. Aren't I going to have a bunch of water spot on my car?"

That is the question I wanted to have an answer to. That's why I was thinking of a Sealant that would sheet.
 
I'm not a pro, but here in S. Florida, during the summer, everyday there are thunderstorms in the afternoon. If your car is dusty/dirty, the dirt will collect in the beads and dry as spots. They are not difficult to remove if you don't let them go too long. But it is a common occurance.



As for your question about a customer's concerns about the frequent rain, you can always tell him that good protection will prevent permanent damage.



I had started a thread a while back wondering if there were any products that caused sheeting instead of beading.
 
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