Best sealant??
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Jesstzn
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C-MDX said:
Mine has Z5 x 3 and Z2 x 3
Z5 & Z2 have two different purposes.
Z5 supposedly helps fill minor swirling and spiderwebing if used right
Z2 is the show car shine.
raymond_ho2002
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First you were all about "zaino hands down," and then you decide "AIO by hand, SG/NXT/#20/Glaz by hand," and now you're back to zaino?
To answer your question, you will need z1 first, OR zfx with z2. Zaino recommends a dawn wash before you start using it. Some people, including myself, have substituted AIO for the dawn wash without any apparent problems.
For all practical purposes of protection, zaino and klasse are equals. For cost, either one can be more expensive than the other, depending on how far you decide to take things with klasse. I mean, seriously, you can get what you want for under 20 bucks with #20 or NXT, but you're deciding between zaino and klasse+topper, so is cost really THAT much of an issue for you?
Appearance is very subjective. You will never, ever know what they're like until you see them side by side for yourself, and afterwards you might even conclude that you see no difference. One person claims zaino lacks depth while another will see reflections in a deep, shimmering pool of black. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and unfortunately, the eye is often influenced by how much money they spent on that beauty.
Reading all the descriptions on this board about one product or another will never be enough, so just pick something and try it. You won't know what problems you want resolved until you run into them yourself with hands-on experience.
To answer your question, you will need z1 first, OR zfx with z2. Zaino recommends a dawn wash before you start using it. Some people, including myself, have substituted AIO for the dawn wash without any apparent problems.
For all practical purposes of protection, zaino and klasse are equals. For cost, either one can be more expensive than the other, depending on how far you decide to take things with klasse. I mean, seriously, you can get what you want for under 20 bucks with #20 or NXT, but you're deciding between zaino and klasse+topper, so is cost really THAT much of an issue for you?
Appearance is very subjective. You will never, ever know what they're like until you see them side by side for yourself, and afterwards you might even conclude that you see no difference. One person claims zaino lacks depth while another will see reflections in a deep, shimmering pool of black. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and unfortunately, the eye is often influenced by how much money they spent on that beauty.
Reading all the descriptions on this board about one product or another will never be enough, so just pick something and try it. You won't know what problems you want resolved until you run into them yourself with hands-on experience.
Jesstzn
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C-MDX said:
As long as 1Z has no fillers yes but you will require Z1 or the ZFX along with the Z2 . If 1Z has fillers to hide the swirls Dawn will remove them.
Jesstzn
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C-MDX said:
I'm not sure what your expecting but to do proper prep and numerous layers of Zaino may take a little more than one day. At least mine sure did
raymond_ho2002
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C-MDX said:
ANSWER:
raymond_ho2002 said:
Klasse can be done in the same amount of time as zaino. But.. it already sounds like you made up your mind. So zaino it is.
Best of luck.
:upSo how long does one coat of Z2 last??? 3-4 months??? I know three coats have enough protection for a year. Can I apply Z2 every week for three weeks and get the same result as applying three coats at ones??? I know I have to spot clay if I needed to which I learned from this site 
VetteToVair
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C-MDX said:
Quite some time ago Jason, our resident marine, started a pretty comprehensive zaino test. I believe he was comparing results of just Z2, Z2+ZFX, several coats, etc. to see what works best. Unfortunately I don't recall a follow-up from him so I'm assuming he got pulled away for something. He still pops by every now and then(I think) so hopefully he will see this and comment.
...or perhaps he did post his results and I'm an idiot. :wavey
According to this thread (under) does that mean I couldn't use 1z PP and MP before Z2 because of the oil from the polishes??
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32209
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32209
C-MDX said:How about this, Menzerna twins and finish off with 3 coats of Z2 w/o ZFX, a week a coat for 3 weeks
You would still need to Dawn wash before Z2 if the polish has oils in it. Or water/isopropanol wipe down. I tried applying Z2/ZFX to my car after S100 SEPC and Z7 wash but ended up with horrible mess of bonding problems. I concluded that Z7 wash was insufficient to get the oils off so Dawn washed and re-applied Z2/ZFX with no problems.
You need ZFX or Z1 with your first layer of Z2 for proper bonding to the clearcoat. After the first layer, you can use Z2 by itself as it is bonding to the first Z2 layer but should repeat Z1 or ZFX every 6-8 layers or so.
Multiple layers do not increase durability much. This is straight from Sal Zaino. They are mainly for improved looks so 9 layers over 3 days of Z2/ZFX would not last much longer than say 2 layers. 2 layers would ensure full coverage in case you missed a spot on first layer. If durability is a major criteria for you, would be much more efficient to do 2 layers of Z2 every 2-3 months to ensure continuous protection instead of frontloading all your layers. I find Z2 to bead excellent for 3.5-4 months and still have decent beading for 6 months but feel slick for only 4 months. This is with 5 layers.
raymond_ho2002
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C-MDX said:
Jesus .. ok, i'm doing the search for you just to demonstrate how mindless, easy, and quick it is to get answers to your questions. I searched for "nxt" and "layer" and i got this thread:
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29635&highlight=nxt+layer
read all about it. Upon searching your other threads, I also found this written by you:
C-MDX said:
Everyone else has had much patience with you, but i've lost mine. The questions that you ask about zaino can be found by doing the simplest search queries. Hell, you can even find answers to your "will zaino adhere to oily polishes" question on the zainostore.com website! I hate to be the one to say this, but you seriously need to put some effort into educating yourself and not expect information to always be spoon-fed to you. The truth is, that's probably how most of the veterans here feel when they read your posts, and that's probably why you don't get responses from some of them, because they're sick of this kind of thing happening. You've been a member for about 3 months, which is reasonable amount of time to pick up a lot of fundamental ideas, and that your post count is double mine is a testament to your active participation on this board. You should have also picked up on the fact that no one likes to repeat themselves a million times. It's one thing when someone's new here, but in your case it's much worse because you've been here long enough to know right from wrong, yet you deliberately choose to do the wrong thing by not searching.
imported_BretFraz
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