autoMagic 76 + KLasse GS only?

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racingbeat

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On some good advice I intend to use AutoMagic #76 color restorer on some swirly and highly scratched Black paint.

I intend to follow up with Klasse seal but not AIO.

(Was going to finish off with the P100 or Ps21 carnubas)



Has anyone used just the Klasse sealant with the automagic 76?

or just Klasse Sealer with some other cleaner?

I haven't yet called AM to see if the #76 is petroleum based.

Aparently if it is the Klasse sealant won't adhere.



any opinions?http://miata.cardomain.com/id/tyremarbles
 
By the MSDS data it looks like its petrolium based



2. COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS



Chemical Name Wt.%

Naphtha 10 - 15

Mineral Spirits 5 - 15

Kerosine (petroleum) (Kerosene) 1 - 5



Wish all companies posted thier MSDS
 
Not to hijack this thread, but you bring up a good question that's been floating around on a few threads and nobody's answered it. Will the KSG work well without the AIO? Has anybody had success using it without AIO? I think a number of people want to use the KSG but don't want the AIO to strip what's underneath their certain product of choice. Yes the 2 work well together, but what if you been wanting to try klasse, but you don't wanna use the AIO cleaner/polisher???:)
 
grt1today said:
Not to hijack this thread, but you bring up a good question that's been floating around on a few threads and nobody's answered it. Will the KSG work well without the AIO? Has anybody had success using it without AIO? I think a number of people want to use the KSG but don't want the AIO to strip what's underneath their certain product of choice. Yes the 2 work well together, but what if you been wanting to try klasse, but you don't wanna use the AIO cleaner/polisher???:)
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Why wouldn't you want to use the AIO as your cleaner? SG will not bond to oils, just like Zaino. I really can't think of anything better as your final polishing/cleaning step before SG. SG must be able to bond to whatever is underneath it. Give an example of a product that you want to keep and not have AIO remove and we will tell you if it will work. If it has oils in it, forget it.
 
Greg thanks, it's zaino underneath. I didn't wanna strip all the previous levels underneath with the AIO. If AIO will even strip zaino? I'm confused :nixweiss
 
well I think the point is that in this instance,

Auto Magic 76 which is from what I've been told, a product

that fills scratches and swirls like many others but, (according

to the person recommending it) stays in the scratches for a

really long time.

obviously you don't want to then Apply AIO because it will remove all the work you just did.

Using just the Klasse SG won't work since, as you pointed it

out it has oils/petroleum.



So what should be step two after using this long lasting #76?
 
grt1today,



Many people have used SG directly over zaino and other sealants like UPP and BF. If that's what you want to do then you should be OK. I don't see a problem with SG bonding to other sealants.



AIO is needed if attempting to use klasse on a surface that has oils, etc on it from other products. The AIO will clean the paint down to its base as well as leave some acrylic behind making it an ideal surface for SG to go on.



Bill.
 
racingbeat,



Try using one of the more durable carnuba's waxes after the 76. Or what about the meguiars half polymer half carnuba product (can't remember the number)?? That may bond to the 76 and give you a fair amount of protection (time wise).



Bill.
 
Thanks Bill, finally I got an answer from somebody. I should have known it would be from the man who has made SG fun again. Thanks, I should've just asked you this directly a long time ago... BTW have you ever posted any pics of your car with the SG on? :wavey
 
grt1today,



Not a problem. Glad to help out any way I can! I know what you mean about SG being fun again. It was getting to be a real PITA for me before woo came along.



Nope, I haven't posted any pics of my ride. One of these days...



Bill. :up



PS: Anymore questions, let me know.
 
No. 26?



"Hi-tech Liquid Yellow Wax is Meguiar’s best liquid carnauba wax. No. 26 is a blend of Brazilian Yellow Carnauba Wax, polymers, resins, and silicones... "







By the way I read on one site that 30 plus layers of Klasse SG were being used in some show cars.



If that's true how long did they wait between Klasse SG layers?
 
:dunno 30 plus layers of SG. Very interesting. It would be cool to see how the car looked and know how long they waited between coats. If they adhered to my personal 1 week wait then it would have taken them a mighty long time to get those layers on there. :D



And yeah, #26 is the one I was referring to. You may want to give it a shot.



Bill :up
 
You are not going to notice any difference between Zaino and topping Zaino with SG. If you already have Zaino on your car, why would you want to top it with SG? Zaino is slicker, beads better, and is probably has more durability. If you want to do it just for grins, go for it, but IMO it is just an excuse to waste product. Why do you want to fill in your paint imperfections with this Auto Magic stuff instead of just removing them, and then applying Zaino. In my opinion, that is going to be the best, and easiest solution of them all!
 
Greg,



Who knows, maybe SG topped over z will give the paint a different look. SG is known to darken the paint and add a candy like shine. Considering z is almost optically perfect I doubt that it will do this.



Bill :up
 
well in my instance the car is ten years old (most can't believe it) some of the scratches aint coming out without taking off some base coat with it. Sooner or later even the oldest lady needs some make up. Even though she look AMAZING (for 70) Don't think anyone would want to see Sofia Loren without her make up!



I'm looking for longevity so I'm willing to try the Automagic #76, as the referal says "while delivering the Merc Wagon, the 911 was still sparkling after 45 days"
 
Racingbeat- I own a 13 year old BMW whose paint looks brand new. Its not clearcoated and I have polished it quite a bit, well actually a lot, and taken out 99% of the scratches. Sure, when I polish, color comes off onto my buffing pad, but that is nothing to be alarmed about. It is very easy to remove paint defects from single stage finishes, so I would really advise going this route as opposed with trying to top a sealant over a glaze, because I would be willing to bet that the longevity of the sealant is going to be zip. I've never used or heard of this Automagic before so I really can't knock it, but there are very very few unique products out there any more so chances are we've all tried something "like" it. Unless you actually know that your paint is extremely thin- ie- been polished many many times, I think you are fine to go ahead and take out those scratches.



Why use makeup when you can get the wrinkles removed? ;)



Bill- in theory, I would say that is plausible. However, from real world experience, SG's deepening of color ability is really not discernable on a well prepped surface IMO. YMMV. I guess its worth a shot if you have both, but certainly wouldn't be worth it IMO if you would have to go buy one.
 
AutoMagic makes a 10T sealant that is high gloss and polymer that is compatiable with the No.76 GS-1. You might look into trying these combinations. I have purchased the products but have not tried them.
 
As I said earlier, I had not tried AutoMagic at the time of my last post. Since then I applied AutoMagic to a 1993 Mercedes that was heavy oxidized and had swirls. Here is the result



1. swirl free



2. GS-1



3. 10T sealant all applied with rotary buffer, Vector.
 

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I may or may not have started this GS-1 topic. I dunno.



But... I don't believe that GS-1 has fillers.

I only have 60 days experience, but I'm very happy with the product on about 60 cars.



AIO does NOT reveal any swirls when used after GS-1.



It works in my shop, on black cars, over and over.



Jim
 
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