are these holograms?

I check in new cars for a large Nissan and Chrysler dealership. Ive seen some pretty bad repaints come from the port where cars were damaged. They Have a body shop at the port and the truck drivers say the lot is full of cars waiting to get fixed. Alot of the Chrysler products theres alot of sanding marks left over from where they wet sanded out a paint nib or imperfection. Both Nissan and Chrysler dont have to disclose damage on a new car unless its over 3 percent of the value of the car. If a customer came back with a paint imperfection it would just be covered under warranty for the manufacturer. I know for Nissan if its not over $500 they dont even have to send pictures or anything It could just be bad swirls or something from the factory. I would just take it back and have there bodyshop look at it before getting to upset about it.
 
guys, still overcast here...through as far as the 10 day forecast will go actually :D so no pictures just yet. BUT i was browsing on my camaro forum and looking at pictures of the same car as mine (it's a special edition and only came in this one color), and what do you know!?!?! i see the same thing on another car. i can guarantee you it is more obvious in person, albeit is still slight. look past the mirror and before the door handle under the window but above the midsection line of the body. do you see how every 4-6" the paint color seems to get lighter, then darker, then lighter, then darker, then lighter again over the door handle? call me crazy, but i am seeing it on this car too and this isn't even mine.



it looks like a slight shadow, sort of like what the mirror is casting down on the door, but there is nothing in site to cause a shadow? my car has nearly this exact same phenomenon. what do you guys make of it??? please tell me i'm not crazy and seeing things. or tell me i am so i can move on with my life :D



btw, more obvious in the first picture, but you can still see the same effect in the 2nd pic just before the reflection of the sunlight.



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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/picture.php?groupid=287&pictureid=66557
 
Getting a blank screen...



edit: link wasn't working, but copy & paste got me to the forum, but not the specific post.
 
I wonder if there is an issue with the paint from the factory, or maybe it's an optical illusion. I can't really see what you are talking about, but my father in law has a silver Camaro, and I swear the paint doesn't match on it. The doors look to have a different shade than the quarter panel/fender. It's probably just an illusion from the fact the car has no flat panels, but when I first saw it, I swore it had a repaint.
 
you might be right, grimm. has anyone else seen what i am talking about? it is a bit more obvious in person and with better sunlight, but there is no doubt i can see the hue changes in the first picture i posted. maybe i am too particular to even be an autopian ;)
 
Even with "unmolested", "all factory-original" cars, there are all sorts of "coulda happened.." things that only a few of us will ever notice, stuff just like this.
 
Tuff, if you want this diagnosed, you're going to have to get better pictures. I can't ID what we're supposed to be worrying about.



Can you do some higher res photos and put an arrow pointing at the area of concern? It can be very difficult to pick up these subtleties with a camera and then post on the interweb.
 
tom p. said:
Tuff, if you want this diagnosed, you're going to have to get better pictures. I can't ID what we're supposed to be worrying about.



Can you do some higher res photos and put an arrow pointing at the area of concern? It can be very difficult to pick up these subtleties with a camera and then post on the interweb.
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i will once i take a picture of my car. this is not my car though, this is just another picture of my type of car i found on my forums. too many clouds in my area right now for the next week i think. i'll post them when i can.



i'm surprised no one else can see it. the second picture i drew lines in between the shade changes. that picture is worthless besides using the lines as a diagram for the first picture. darker, lighter, darker. man seriously maybe something is wrong with me lol.
 
try this...i blew the picture up and drew in black lines. follow the black line from the mirror's shadow until the first line stops. where it stops is where the perpendicular new "shadow" effect begins. it goes until the line starts again. the lined area is actually representing the lighter shades of paint (they run up and down the door...the line is representing their width). if you look any lower than the door handle line, you will not see this effect anymore. keep your eye between the lines i drew under the window and above the line of the door handle. that is where it is most prevalent.



while i do agree these pictures are slight, i got my girlfriend to look and she sees it so i know my eyes aren't just playing tricks on me. but i can also assure you in the real world these changes are much less subtle than in the picture.



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OK, I think I see a zone that's a different color compared to the surrounding area. Certainly could have been spotted in and then re-cleared.



The harsh (bright, direct) light makes it very difficult to tell. Sometimes things will leap out at you in softer light. Sometimes that harsh lighting in pkg lots makes defects highly visible.



Do you have a friend at a body shop who could do a quick inspection for you?
 
Looking at it, it hit me!

Since another has apparently had the same on their Camaro, etc it may the way the metallic flip is showing slight imperfections in the sheet metal?

We saw this on the Mustang Mystic Green flip paint, was sheet metal difference due to the press.

Grumpy
 
Tuff, this is more of a hologram type of effect, yet quite severe:



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It has a bit of a 3D feel to it.
 
tom p. said:
OK, I think I see a zone that's a different color compared to the surrounding area. Certainly could have been spotted in and then re-cleared.



The harsh (bright, direct) light makes it very difficult to tell. Sometimes things will leap out at you in softer light. Sometimes that harsh lighting in pkg lots makes defects highly visible.



Do you have a friend at a body shop who could do a quick inspection for you?
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well like i had mentioned, this isn't my car. it's another camaro that is the same color/edition as mine and is showing the same visible signs of the hue changes. the coincidence that both were recleared on the door is pretty unbelievable. i'm starting to think it has to just be the paint.



Ron Ketcham said:
Looking at it, it hit me!

Since another has apparently had the same on their Camaro, etc it may the way the metallic flip is showing slight imperfections in the sheet metal?

We saw this on the Mustang Mystic Green flip paint, was sheet metal difference due to the press.

Grumpy
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you may be exactly right. honestly it isn't a huge difference as you can tell. i was more upset that it might be a repaint vs. just the paint itself. now that i see a totally different vehicle with the same shade irregularity, i don't feel duped at least. still, it is annoying. i wish i knew what the reason behind this effect was...
 
I see what you're talking about. There has to be a detailer or body shop that could take some paint measurements for you.



What about Josh, isn't he in Dallas? Ottmann Detailing
 
D&D Auto Detail said:
I see what you're talking about. There has to be a detailer or body shop that could take some paint measurements for you.



What about Josh, isn't he in Dallas? Ottmann Detailing
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i wish someone would give me a dime every time i had to explain that this isn't my car :D it's a car that is the exact same model as mine. i have no idea who the owner is, i just found the pic on the internet.



that being said, i would be shocked if we both had the same paint problem in the same spot. sounds to me like it's something with this paint, or the sheet metal.



anyone think it might be a paint defect?
 
I understand that isnt your car, never said it was. Pretty sure you were looking for someone in Dallas with a paint gauge. Just trying to help, you're welcome.
 
D&D Auto Detail said:
I understand that isnt your car, never said it was. Pretty sure you were looking for someone in Dallas with a paint gauge. Just trying to help, you're welcome.
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thanks...i think the same effect on another car indicates there probably wasn't a repaint though, so that's why i thought it may have been overlooked that the particular car in question here isn't my car. two repaints of the same kind on the same type of car in the same place would be an extremely odd coincidence.



anyone else have any thoughts as to what this might be?
 
tuffluck said:
...i think the same effect on another car indicates there probably wasn't a repaint though... two repaints of the same kind on the same type of car in the same place would be an extremely odd coincidence...
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Or merely a clue regarding a wide-spread problem ;)



I've known/had a few cars were "they're all like that..." really was the truth.
 
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