applying carnauba over poly

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if you apply carnauba over poly can you get the same depth and richness if you applied carnauba alone ??? i was thinking of # 26 ( #16 replacement) or upp or ex over # 80 .. thank you
 
Polymer Sealant - (provides durable protection)-A non-organic based wax formulated from polymer paints used to seal paint with a thin hard barrier. They are very durable and provide a very bright, but flat silvery shine. This type of product is a compromise as it does provide durability but lacks the properties of a Carnauba wax lacking both colour and depth, and because of a polymer's inherent molecular structure it cannot mimic the properties of a Carnauba wax



Carnauba Wax - (provides a sacrificial but renewable protection)-A natural wax repellent, it forms a barrier that is a natural protection from the suns UV radiation, acid rain, airborne pollutants and acidic bird droppings, it also provides Colour, Depth and Clarity that is without equal.



FWIW - I think that using a Carnauba wax over a polymer gives you the best of both worlds, the durable protection and bright shine of a polymer and the gloss/depth etc of a Carnauba wax.



Note: Carnauba wax will bond to a cross-linked polymer, conversely if a polymer is applied on top of a Carnauba wax the cross-linking / bonding may be compromised. Although I would not state categorically that a product that is formulated with some oil in it will abort the cross linking or bonding process of a polymer, just that the process may not be as complete, and its strength and durability may be effected.

JonM
 
The solvents used in the Carnauba wax won't affect the Polymer Sealant durability? I.E. Klasse SG
 
Quote: The solvents used in the Carnauba wax won't affect the Polymer Sealant durability? I.E. Klasse SG



Providing each subsequent applications carrying agent (solvent, oils silicones or emulsion) are not so concentrated that they degrade or remove what has been previously applied.



The carrier system (solvents) allows the product to fill and level the paint film surface to produce a flat surface (this flat level surface is more pronounced with polymers due to their molecular alignment characteristics). This level surface optimises the paint film surface's desired optical properties (i.e. surface reflectance, clarity, gloss, and depth of shine)



Also be aware that the both the product and the foam pad may be non-abrasive, but application pressure if not kept to an absolute minimum and using use a very light and even pressure, may re-introduce surface marring and/or removal of the previously applied product.

JonM
 
mirrorfinishman said:
I usually apply carnauba over polymer in order to add another layer of protection, while enhancing the depth of gloss on black and other dark paint colors.
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Same here, I like the extra richness a carnauba gives on dark paint. On light colors, the clear sealant look is very pleasing.
 
NPG said:
The solvents used in the Carnauba wax won't affect the Polymer Sealant durability? I.E. Klasse SG
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Never caused any trouble for me. Once the SG sets up it's pretty tough, certainly tough enough to stand up to the solvents in carnaubas.
 
I have found that Carnauba will reach its best potential if its mated as close to the paint surface as possible. Not that you can't top a polymer with a carnauba and get good results, but IMO the best results I've seen with a carnauba were prepared with a fresh coat or two of a quality carnauba applied on well prepped paint surfaces.
 
i've done meg's NXT with #26 on top and it came out really well



tomorrow i will do NXT topped with s100



I will try to post pics. my car is black too and the 26 added some depth on top of the NXT and the extra carnauba layer has added some durability
 
well i wanted the best of both worlds, carnauba and poly sealant, i see we are speaking of klasse acrylic, how do you know the solvent content ? do i assume that if i use any of the better quality products it will be fine ? i was thinking of nattys or 26 over ex or ex-p.. i know ex has some carnauba in it already but, i thought i could get the benifits of a sealant with it and then just put carnauba over that once a month.. anybody comment on nattys or 26 over ex? i would prefer 26 because i want to use a liquid carnauba instead..thanks todd
 
Quote: I have found that Carnauba will reach its best potential if its mated as close to the paint surface as possible. Not that you can't top a polymer with a carnauba and get good results, but IMO the best results I've seen with a carnauba were prepared with a fresh coat or two of a quality carnauba applied on well prepped paint surfaces. lbls1



Interesting observation /experience :cool: as Carnauba and polymers adhere to a surface very differently, Carnauba wax, polymer sealants and synthetic waxes initially adhere by surface tension; the balance of the adherence process is that it works its way via the carrier system (solvent and / or oils) into the microscopic gaps and valleys of the paint film surface thereby creating an anchor. Polymer sealants initially adhere by surface tension and then after a cross-linking period (the solvents in the carrier system vaporize (outgas) after which the polymers form a molecular bond to the paint. Although some polymers will occlude (cloud) which may explain the differences.



Iâ€â„¢ve usually obtained what IMO are the best results with a Carnauba applied over a cross-linked polymer sealant, which goes to prove that different eyes â€Ëœseeâ€â„¢ a different look (beauty is in the â€Ëœguyâ€â„¢ of the beholder:) )

JonM
 
TOGWT said:
Quote: I have found that Carnauba will reach its best potential if its mated as close to the paint surface as possible. Not that you can't top a polymer with a carnauba and get good results, but IMO the best results I've seen with a carnauba were prepared with a fresh coat or two of a quality carnauba applied on well prepped paint surfaces. lbls1



Interesting observation /experience :cool: as Carnauba and polymers adhere to a surface very differently, Carnauba wax, polymer sealants and synthetic waxes initially adhere by surface tension; the balance of the adherence process is that it works its way via the carrier system (solvent and / or oils) into the microscopic gaps and valleys of the paint film surface thereby creating an anchor. Polymer sealants initially adhere by surface tension and then after a cross-linking period (the solvents in the carrier system vaporize (outgas) after which the polymers form a molecular bond to the paint. Although some polymers will occlude (cloud) which may explain the differences.



Iâ€â„¢ve usually obtained what IMO are the best results with a Carnauba applied over a cross-linked polymer sealant, which goes to prove that different eyes â€Ëœseeâ€â„¢ a different look (beauty is in the â€Ëœguyâ€â„¢ of the beholder:) )

JonM
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I've seen polymers cloud as well. A carnauba can cloud from oxidation if its left on the surface for an extended period of time. (usually during the winter). I have had carnauba turn to a cloud type of haze (in varying degrees of severity) caused by the paint's oxidation, dirt, and a large amount of wax residue left from earlier deposits.



I do admire how polymers stand up to the weather, as they seem to be less sensitive to cold and wet winters and neglect, as opposed to typical carnauba waxes.
 
pat00641 said:
i've done meg's NXT with #26 on top and it came out really well



tomorrow i will do NXT topped with s100



I will try to post pics. my car is black too and the 26 added some depth on top of the NXT and the extra carnauba layer has added some durability
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When you apply s100 over NXT, did you let the NXT cure overnight? My paint always looks blotcy right after AIO or NXT. Almost like it has to dry for a while. Can s100 be layered? Does s100 have to cure before another layer. I have used Soverean and the instructions say to let it cure before another layer.



Steve
 
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