Apparently, Chinese vehicles aren't doing well in crash tests

I wonder how a good old motorcycle would do against that wall. I am sure the helmet will help cushion the blow.
 
Japanese and Korean cars weren't always known for their reliability or quality, but I don't think a Chinese car would ever reach that caliber. Chinese people don't pride in the quality of their work. For them, they pride in how much profit they can make and if it means having to cut corners when they know they shouldn't, they'll do it anyway if it means more money in their pockets.



Name one product that comes out of China known for reliability/quality. I will bet that's going to be a tough list to come up with.
 
BlackElantraGT said:
Japanese and Korean cars weren't always known for their reliability or quality, but I don't think a Chinese car would ever reach that caliber. Chinese people don't pride in the quality of their work. For them, they pride in how much profit they can make and if it means having to cut corners when they know they shouldn't, they'll do it anyway if it means more money in their pockets.



Name one product that comes out of China known for reliability/quality. I will bet that's going to be a tough list to come up with.
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Well, your are mistaken if you think that !, the problem is that companies over here in North America are the curlpits, they select items from Chinese firms at the least possible cost and then try to sell them here at a 3000%-5000% profit while the same item made in North American plants is only 100% profit. So if you take an equivalent China made item lets says at 500% profit, I can gurantee you that their products will be as good or superior with more profits for the importer.



There is a saying in automotive circles that say; "What took the Japanese 40 years to achieve, took the Koreans 20 and what took the Koreans 20 will take the Chinese less than 10 !"



It seems like Barry Meguiar knows where to take his business ! ...LoL



YouTube - Nanjing Car Club Clinic



Just look at the Chinese space program, alot of the North American satellite and telecommunication companies are taking their loads to launch on their rockets ! Why ? because they are much cheaper and more reliable than NASA's Space Shuttle launches which are full of glitches and delays.



YouTube - China Space Program



Its all about corporate greed and the end of the western economy !
 
Look around your home for something you've always taken for granted and never questioned its "quality" since it just works. I bet it was made in China as well.
 
Nah, I think its d-bags like the tools they hire to purchase for Wal-Mart's and such that pick these low grade "products" from Chinese communist slave labor factories just to save 4 cents per item to justify their paltry, yet over-generous buyer "salaries". Don't be fooled.



The Chinese make junk and decent products. Its up to you, the consumer, NOT to buy from Wal-Mart type stores that are importing their crap only.





Be real, a $40 pool chair isn't the same as a $400 pool chair. If it were, we would all be driving a "Brilliance" instead of the vehicles we drive.
 
jsatek said:
Nah, I think its d-bags like the tools they hire to purchase for Wal-Mart's and such that pick these low grade "products" from Chinese communist slave labor factories just to save 4 cents per item to justify their paltry, yet over-generous buyer "salaries". Don't be fooled.



The Chinese make junk and decent products. Its up to you, the consumer, NOT to buy from Wal-Mart type stores that are importing their crap only.





Be real, a $40 pool chair isn't the same as a $400 pool chair. If it were, we would all be driving a "Brilliance" instead of the vehicles we drive.
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First off, Wal-mart sells what people want to buy, at a price they want to pay. They wouldn't where they are are now if otherwise. We as Americans voted with our wallets and it's ridiculous to try to blame Wal-mart for providing what we want.



Secondly, China is about as "Communist" as the Democratic party is "Democratic" or the Republican party is at representing a "Republic". Those factory workers getting paid "slave wages" are among the 250 million Chinese raised out of poverty in the last decade or so. How's that for a supposedly "Communist" country? What would you have them be as an alternative, poverty-stricken farmers with no upward mobility at all? Damned if they do, damned if they don't it seems.
 
jsatek said:
Be real, a $40 pool chair isn't the same as a $400 pool chair. If it were, we would all be driving a "Brilliance" instead of the vehicles we drive.
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I wish I was driving a Brillance, too bad they aren't imported here yet ! :aww:
 
BlackElantraGT said:
Japanese and Korean cars weren't always known for their reliability or quality, but I don't think a Chinese car would ever reach that caliber. Chinese people don't pride in the quality of their work. For them, they pride in how much profit they can make and if it means having to cut corners when they know they shouldn't, they'll do it anyway if it means more money in their pockets.



Name one product that comes out of China known for reliability/quality. I will bet that's going to be a tough list to come up with.
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Wow! Way to generalize and insult 1.5 billion people! Go BIG of go HOME!



There must be some back story to your comment. You must have been scammed/ripped off by a Chinese guy somewhere in your life.



As for the perception of Chinese products being poor quality, there is truth to it. But then again, who are you going to blame? The peasant being paid "slave wages?" Or the company that imported the product to put on your stores' shelves for you to buy? Or maybe the consumer for paying $40 for that pool chair that falls apart after a couple of years instead of spending $400 for one that he can pass on to his children?
 
jsatek said:
There is no such thing as a quality Chinese product. It's all disposable junk.
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Are you serious? There are plenty of quality Chinese made products - take a look around you and you'll find that the majority of consumer electronics are made in China and are well made - Lenovo notebooks, the majority of the parts in your PC (when was the last time your PC broke down?), my Sharp Aquos LCD TV is made in China - there are plenty of quality Chinese products. Yeah, sure, there is crap Chinese product out there - that's definately true - but to say that there is no such thing as a quality Chinese product is ridiculous.



As for the comment that BlackElantraGT made that Chinese people don't take pride in the quality of their work, I think that's pretty innaccurate, and bordering on racist. Just take a look at companies like Asus, Acer, and ATI, to name a few - these are companies started and run by Chinese people - and they make high quality product. In fact, most semiconductor fabrication occurs in Taiwan (ethnically Chinese) - do you have any idea how high the quality standards are for running a semiconductor fab facility are?? Also, let's not forget that Taiwan, Japan and Korea started their economic development much earlier than China - the Chinese are still in the early stages of their development, and there's no reason to believe that they won't follow a similar trajectory as their asian predecessors.



Seems to be there is a lot of China-bashing going on ("It's to keep the population down........... ", Apparently they can't make buildings worth a dam with 34,000 + dead!", etc). Those are some pretty f'd up comments, man. Reminds me of the 80's and 90's when Japan-bashing was happening a lot...
 
turboawd said:
Are you serious? There are plenty of quality Chinese made products - take a look around you and you'll find that the majority of consumer electronics are made in China and are well made - Lenovo notebooks, the majority of the parts in your PC (when was the last time your PC broke down?), my Sharp Aquos LCD TV is made in China - there are plenty of quality Chinese products. Yeah, sure, there is crap Chinese product out there - that's definately true - but to say that there is no such thing as a quality Chinese product is ridiculous.



As for the comment that BlackElantraGT made that Chinese people don't take pride in the quality of their work, I think that's pretty innaccurate, and bordering on racist. Just take a look at companies like Asus, Acer, and ATI, to name a few - these are companies started and run by Chinese people - and they make high quality product. In fact, most semiconductor fabrication occurs in Taiwan (ethnically Chinese) - do you have any idea how high the quality standards are for running a semiconductor fab facility are?? Also, let's not forget that Taiwan, Japan and Korea started their economic development much earlier than China - the Chinese are still in the early stages of their development, and there's no reason to believe that they won't follow a similar trajectory as their asian predecessors.



Seems to be there is a lot of China-bashing going on ("It's to keep the population down........... ", Apparently they can't make buildings worth a dam with 34,000 + dead!", etc). Those are some pretty f'd up comments, man. Reminds me of the 80's and 90's when Japan-bashing was happening a lot...
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Let's get a few things straight here:



Sharp=Japanese company. Whether that product is made in China or Japan or anywhere else for that matter doesn't matter, it's a Japanese company. Toyota and Honda are known for their Japanese reliability, but many of their cars come from American factories. So who gets credit, the Japanese or Americans? It's the Japanese... it is still their company. Just like how we don't give credit to the Mexicans for VW or Nissans either.



Lenovo- Just because they purchased IBM's PC division doesn't mean Lenovo computers automatically gain reliability status due to IBM's well-known reputation, in particular their ThinkPads. Afterall, they're sticking with the ThinkPad name/brand for a reason.



Asus, Acer, GigaByte, Abit, etc, etc- These are all Taiwanese companies. While most people in Taiwan are of Chinese decent, most of them identify themselves as Taiwanese. It's no different in other countries where the Chinese moved to. I grew up with quite a few people who were of Chinese decent but of different nationality, and while they maintained their Chinese heritage, they all identified with their nationality and not where their ancestors came from.



Me being racist - I'm Asian also so if I'm racist, that means I hate my own kind? Sorry if you don't like stereotypes, but IMO stereotypes exist for a reason. It doesn't mean that it applies to everyone or everything. I think many Asians are cheap to begin with (I am one of them), but from my experience Chinese people are the worst. It's both a good and bad quality to have. Many of the Chinese people I grew up with came from entrepreneurial families. I wish I could say the same about mine.
 
BlackElantraGT said:
Let's get a few things straight here:



Sharp=Japanese company. Whether that product is made in China or Japan or anywhere else for that matter doesn't matter, it's a Japanese company. Toyota and Honda are known for their Japanese reliability, but many of their cars come from American factories. So who gets credit, the Japanese or Americans? It's the Japanese... it is still their company. Just like how we don't give credit to the Mexicans for VW or Nissans either.



Lenovo- Just because they purchased IBM's PC division doesn't mean Lenovo computers automatically gain reliability status due to IBM's well-known reputation, in particular their ThinkPads. Afterall, they're sticking with the ThinkPad name/brand for a reason.



Asus, Acer, GigaByte, Abit, etc, etc- These are all Taiwanese companies. While most people in Taiwan are of Chinese decent, most of them identify themselves as Taiwanese. It's no different in other countries where the Chinese moved to. I grew up with quite a few people who were of Chinese decent but of different nationality, and while they maintained their Chinese heritage, they all identified with their nationality and not where their ancestors came from.



Me being racist - I'm Asian also so if I'm racist, that means I hate my own kind? Sorry if you don't like stereotypes, but IMO stereotypes exist for a reason. It doesn't mean that it applies to everyone or everything. I think many Asians are cheap to begin with (I am one of them), but from my experience Chinese people are the worst. It's both a good and bad quality to have. Many of the Chinese people I grew up with came from entrepreneurial families. I wish I could say the same about mine.
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Thinkpads are just as good, if not better built now under Lenovo than under IBM. I have 3 Thinkpads in the household, one T43 and two T61s.



Regarding yourself, racist maybe not (albeit by purely technical terms) but prejudiced definitely.
 
BlackElantraGT - I am from Taiwan and I identify myself as Chinese. Many Chinese people in Taiwan identify themselves as the same - culturally we are the same as the people from the mainland. But let's not get into that debate...it will never end.



Anyway, I think your confusing the ability to build high quality goods (which the Chinese already can do, clearly), with North American consumers' perception of homegrown Chinese brands. It takes time to build a brand, and a good reputation, and right now there is not a lot of familiarity with Chinese brands in NA. There are plenty of Chinese brands that make high quality goods, and have a good reputation in the Chinese domestic market - companies like Haier, etc. By the way Lenovo has dropped the IBM name, and the Lenovo notebook that I've been using for the last couple of years has been great. And Lenovo had been contract manufacturing IBM ThinkPads long before they purchased the division.



Over time, the perception of Chinese brands in NA will increase as their quality continues to increase as well. Hyundai's had poor brand perception when they first entered the NA market, and over time increased their quality and reputation.



About you being racist, let me repeat that I said that your comments were borderline racist. Whether you are asian or not is irrelevant; the fact is that you made a sweeping generalization of Chinese people, which was offensive to me (and I'm sure to other Chinese people on this forum that work hard and do take pride in their work).
 
...its a lost cause, China already owns us !



Don't blame them, blame our greedy coporations and the government officials that listen to these greedy businessmen on how to reshape our economy ...LoL



Greed has destroyed us "already" !



China is on her way back to a world power that she has held for the last 4800 years ! interupted by 150 years due to western hegemony.



When asked about China, Napolean Bonaparte replied ..."Let her sleep, when she awakes, the world will shake !"
 
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