Anyone try or review the Turtlewax black wax?

Im with Jared on this one. On my own personal car I just dont have the time or the patience to keep it 100%. Too many people rub against my car and what not walking by for me to constantly be polishing it every wash session. Thats only one of the environmental factors not mention others that are our of our control.



My car is by no means swirled up but products that fill slightly/hide a bit bring it up that extra notch. And yakky you say they dont last long, but in the same autopian sense, who lets it go that long without touching it up a bit?



With spray waxes that fill at the same time its no chore to do it.



BUT, thats not to say that this is the right route for all others cars. Obviously im not going to use fillers on someone who wants a real correction and I think thats what jared is trying to say.



This is the quote that really gets me

You are assuming that all the swirls will come out. There will always be swirls some more pronounced than others. I am hoping that the glaze will cover any leftover swirls or mares tails that might show.
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Sounds like a typical dealership detailer. There shouldnt be any leftover swirls or "mares tails" if things were done right.





I think we can all agree on that.
 
Dsoto87, I agree with you to a point, a bit of filling for micro-marring is desirable. But that might be the point of differentiation, swirls vs micro-marring. On a DD, you can get it, and keep it swirl free, sure you will get some micro-marring, and I'm all for filling that. To clarify, micro-marring to me is stuff you can see only under certain lighting condition and very close up. Swirls that you can see from 10 feet back I will not try to cover.



And yeah, I completely agree on the typical dealership detailing expert.
 
Likewise, I guess we should have definitely clarified and differentiated what we were talking about. Im with you on that one yakky. "swirls" was the first word that came to mind but what I was actually referring to was what you were talking about.



My point still remains though, to brag about working for so and so for 8 years only to talk about how all polishing ends up leaving remaining swirls and Mare tails sounds like hack work.
 
I found this site, by accident, with the objective that virtually everyone that visits a site like this; information mining. What I have encountered is a few individuals that have failed to learn a few of life's lessons. And that is why they will forever be polishing fenders out of their Mom's basement where they reside. I'm glad they quickly have revealed themselves so that I can put them on the ignore list. I never "bragged" about 8 years of this or that. It's fact, I managed a shop for 5 years(reading is fundamental), we had a growing clientel when I decided to move on to something more fun than correcting/ obsessing over someone's paint job. Never proclaimed to be a detail expert either, your words, not mine.



To those who hijacked the thread into discussing specific paint problems and who said what, I think I asked a rather simple straight forward question with an intended application of the product. An answer such as "I think you are on the right track in getting your finish to point X, but you may not need to use this product as a late or final finish, Y product will be more durable or give deeper wet shine" or something to that effect.



Based upon the "curtious" responses from the forum members who chose to respond, I'll deduct that no one has had the need or opportunity to try the product. The car in question will be my daily summertime driver, the hope is that once I get the vehicle to as swirl free/mar free as possible, with good technique I can keep it swirl free/mar free for a longer period of time before I decide it is time to run the cycle again to reduce/remove the imperfections that will accumulate. It is a machine and I will drive it. It could be parked outside in the weather for days at a time as I travel for a living. Based upon what I have learned is that if I take care of a daily driver vehicle while I own it, when it is time to sell I NEVER have to trade and take a hit. People want to buy cars that I have owned. It makes financial sense for me.
 
Dsoto87 said:
Likewise, I guess we should have definitely clarified and differentiated what we were talking about. Im with you on that one yakky. "swirls" was the first word that came to mind but what I was actually referring to was what you were talking about.



My point still remains though, to brag about working for so and so for 8 years only to talk about how all polishing ends up leaving remaining swirls and Mare tails sounds like hack work.
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Which was why I said this could get ugly. :D
 
For my DD (that has well over 170K on the odometer), I tend to stick with products that fill and then cover with a decent LSP. The vehicle is 9 years old with ss paint. This past winter's prep involved PB's Black Hole followed by Collinite IW845. But, I can definitely understand the professional dislike of covering up shoddy "detailing" practices by using a short term glaze to hide the problems. It tends to drag down the whole preception of professional detailing when the glaze is short lived and the car looks worse than before, especially when the pros on here dedicate their professional practices by properly correcting paint problems. In reference to TW black wax, there is probably a niche that this product will work ( I also have an older Sonoma (black) that is starting to show crows feet on the roof/hood. This may be in the pipeline in the future/followed by a long lasting LSP). Will it qualify for autopian standards? Nope, but it might be the ticket for vehicle with fragile paint.
 
yakky said:
Hey, don't knock them too bad, the Platinum line is great for OTC stuff, as good if not better than NXT.
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It WAS great because it is discontinued now in the US. We in Europe still have the line although the paste wax and the QD was never available.
 
billster50 said:
...I have encountered is a few individuals that have failed to learn a few of life's lessons. And that is why they will forever be polishing fenders out of their Mom's basement where they reside. I'm glad they quickly have revealed themselves so that I can put them on the ignore list...
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Hey billster, you are missing the point. We are neither elitist, nor mentally somewhat underdeveloped, just anal and obsessed. Not because we are locked in the basement under Mom's skirt, but just because we are simply WANT to achieve the level of appearance we desire, and doing it how we desire.



The relatively easy thing is to reach a close-to-perfect condition of the paint AND keep it that way. We have "developed" extremely gentle washing methods (see Accumulator), and thus the possibility of swirling is as minimal as possible. Yes, we are talking about daily drivers, even beaters (they often serve as test beds, so their condition is not surprising). With these methods, we don't need anything more than a fine finishing polish combined with a quality LSP and we are done for the next 6 months. If we apply a covalent silane coating, the paint finish is going to be even more mar-resistant. With the proper new methods and/or materials the old wosdom of "frequent car care = easy car care" is especially true. Yet we still have a life and we are not buried under complicated compromises.



Regarding TW, I love the TWPUG range here in EU, and for example the Ice Paste has great reviews in the UK. Being a TW product is not a brand stigma here, so I'm sure that the black box contains some nice products too. Based on YT videos, the results are decent.
 
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