Any tips on taking care of brake dust between washings
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chml17l said:
I am questioning Poorboys for marketing a wheel sealant. But I am not trying to imply that you are stupid as you suggested in your previous post. I simply want to know why this is a Wheel Sealant and not a sealant for the whole car? Since when did we start using part specific sealants?
Just in case anybody thinks I am attacking Poorboys I have said the same thing about Wheel Wax. It's a good product but doesn't do anything that any quality sealant will do just as good.
Setec Astronomy
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maecrispy said:
This has been discussed before, and as long as you are not driving on the track and getting your rotors red hot, I think the paint on the hood of a dark colored car in the sun during the summer gets as hot or hotter as your wheels.
maecrispy said:
Some would argue that using Souveran is not economical for use on body paint, either.
Maybe, as suggested, the wheel sealant does have some brake dust repellant qualities, which make it expensive, perhaps too expensive to use on the rest of the car (saving it for the potentially dirtiest part, the wheels). I guess this will be the product to try out at the Poorboy's World Detailing Day next month.
wannafbody
wannafbody
personally I doubt that anything is really much better than Collinite 845 IW on wheels- 16 oz for $11
I like Collinite 476S and I have found it has amazing durability for an "old school" paste wax. I've heard nothing but good things about IW, too, and will probably have to get some eventually.
That's the good thing about Autopia, so many good opinions from different people about new things or techniques to try.
Stevet--
Everyone should be entitled to put whatever they want on their wheels, hood, etc. What looks good to one Autopian doesn't necessarily look good to another. My original post was to try to answer the person's question of brake dust build-up between washings. Subsequently, various products were discussed which could help with this problem. This progression is pretty normal during a typical Autopia discussion. If you don't agree with a particular vendor's marketing of a product that has worked for many people, then state that and move on. I don't believe continually reastating "I have raised this issue several times about PB Wheel Sealant. I still haven't recieved a good answer." was relative or helpful to try to answer the original poster's question.
I happen to be one of those guys who buys "Wheel Sealants" and likes them. Deal with it.
That's the good thing about Autopia, so many good opinions from different people about new things or techniques to try.
Stevet--
Everyone should be entitled to put whatever they want on their wheels, hood, etc. What looks good to one Autopian doesn't necessarily look good to another. My original post was to try to answer the person's question of brake dust build-up between washings. Subsequently, various products were discussed which could help with this problem. This progression is pretty normal during a typical Autopia discussion. If you don't agree with a particular vendor's marketing of a product that has worked for many people, then state that and move on. I don't believe continually reastating "I have raised this issue several times about PB Wheel Sealant. I still haven't recieved a good answer." was relative or helpful to try to answer the original poster's question.
I happen to be one of those guys who buys "Wheel Sealants" and likes them. Deal with it.
wannafbody
wannafbody
its on the counter at some Advance Auto and some Carquest stores carry it as well (PA at least)
chml17l said:
My comment about not getting a good answer about PB Wheel Sealant was in response to Setec Astronomy's post. He stated he had a problem with the idea of a Wheel Sealant, so do I. I am not the only one that thinks a part specific sealant is a money grab. I will continue to raise the issue when I feel it's appropriate. You deal with it.
Setec Astronomy
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I'm not opposed to the idea of a wheel sealant. I used to think wheels were different. I have a car that came with factory painted wheels matched to the color of the rest of the car. For some reason I thought they were powder coated, until I had to have the (clear) lips refinished, and the wheel guy wanted to paint the whole thing, and I objected that I didn't want the powder coat replaced with paint, at which point he laughed and told me that it was just regular paint on the wheels.
When I first came to Autopia, I remember reading that wheels have paint on them just like the rest of your car, and should be cared for in the same way, same sealants, etc. So it just seems to me if you have a great sealant, why limit it just to wheels? Unless, as I mentioned previously, since you can argue that the wheels have the toughest exposure (brake dust, tar, salt), that they might deserve a very expensive great sealant which you might not want to use on the rest of the car due to the cost, which isn't a great argument.
I am also just looking for an answer that makes sense to me as to why a great sealant should be limited to wheels. Streaking was mentioned above as a possible problem, one that might not be as noticeable on wheels....but there are endless accounts of SG or #16 or Collinite streaking if you put it on too heavy, so that sounds like a workable problem. :nixweiss
When I first came to Autopia, I remember reading that wheels have paint on them just like the rest of your car, and should be cared for in the same way, same sealants, etc. So it just seems to me if you have a great sealant, why limit it just to wheels? Unless, as I mentioned previously, since you can argue that the wheels have the toughest exposure (brake dust, tar, salt), that they might deserve a very expensive great sealant which you might not want to use on the rest of the car due to the cost, which isn't a great argument.
I am also just looking for an answer that makes sense to me as to why a great sealant should be limited to wheels. Streaking was mentioned above as a possible problem, one that might not be as noticeable on wheels....but there are endless accounts of SG or #16 or Collinite streaking if you put it on too heavy, so that sounds like a workable problem. :nixweiss
Setec Astronomy said:
Painted wheels should be cared for like the paint on the car. You can and should use the same products. The only difference is that the wheels do get exposed to higher temps and more brake dust. So you clean them more often and use a sealant and not a wax. Zaino and Klasse are considered to be the most durable sealants out there and would work great. I personaly use Collinite Insulator Wax and have great results.
PB Wheel Sealant, Wheel Wax, and the new Deatilers Pride Wheels Glaze are probably all excellent products but not needed IMO. If you want durability than use the durable products you aleady use on your car on your wheels also. If the wheel specific products look that good and last that long than use them on the whole car. No need for both.
As far as I'm concerned the wheel sealants are just like the other sealants out there except they are put in a container labeled wheel sealant.
imported_RIC
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Count me in as one who believes this whole "special" Wheel wax is all just a marketing gimmick. Good posts by Setec, wannafbody, and stevet.
What's next?....A Special wax for vertical areas and a specialized wax for horizontal surfaces?
And for all you that are using them please do side by side comparisons with other products. Not just observing that it seems to be better. Environmental conditions vary at different times of the year.
Do the front right wheel with one product and the front left wheel with another product AT THE SAME TIME and do comparisons on a daily, weekly, etc. basis to see if there really is a difference.
What's next?....A Special wax for vertical areas and a specialized wax for horizontal surfaces?
And for all you that are using them please do side by side comparisons with other products. Not just observing that it seems to be better. Environmental conditions vary at different times of the year.
Do the front right wheel with one product and the front left wheel with another product AT THE SAME TIME and do comparisons on a daily, weekly, etc. basis to see if there really is a difference.
SpoiledMan
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Or let's put it in this perspective. If I can protect my wheels just as well for $1.20 per ounce why pay $2 per ounce.
imported_RIC
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"Than I would ask why not use this super durable sealant on the whole car?"
You should send emails to the respective manufacturers making these Wheel Sealants/waxes and pose that question to them. I would love to see the responses if they have the nerve to respond.
You should send emails to the respective manufacturers making these Wheel Sealants/waxes and pose that question to them. I would love to see the responses if they have the nerve to respond.
wannafbody
wannafbody
from what I've read at the Finish Kare website it seems as if some resins are very temperature resistant- some Resins-up to 392 degrees F where synthetics might withstand 200 degrees F. Collinite 845 was designed to protect and prevent flashback fires on High Power lines. my understanding is that whatever resins/other ingredients are in it must be able to withstand high temps. in this case comparing 2 different manufacturers claims you can arrive at a conclusion that both are probably making accurate statements about their products. Poorboys wheel sealant probably has some type of high temp resins/ingredients in it as well-what may make a less than desirable for paint protection would be if those high temp ingredients degrade the optical quality of the sealant- I just wish I had known about using Collinite 845 on wheels a couple years ago-my wheels would look better.
Setec Astronomy
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wannafbody said:
I think you're giving a microns-thick layer of wax a little too much credit. I believer the purpose of Insulator Wax was to keep the insulators clean to prevent buildup of conductive deposits which could cause arcing across the insulator.