Any Advatage to NXT

[jfelbab]

The 'lab sample D' threads from back in January insinuated that the product would be so much more than it is. It's a cleaner wax for joe turtle wax consumer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemming anyone for liking and using it. But I wouldn't recommend it just based on how the whole thing went down.



Bill.

Enlighten us Bill. Just what did Meguiar's claim that this product would do that it doesn't?



I would not class this as a "Turtle Wax" or a cleaner wax. It may have some slight surface cleaners in it to insure adhesion but it is nothing like a cleaner wax. I'd put it in the Zaino class.



I've gone through more bottles of waxes and sealers than most here and I find this product looks as good and is significantly easier to use than many of the leading products. Since this product has not been on the market all that long I would concede that Zaino may last longer but that isn't even a given at this point.



You state "I wouldn't recommend it just based on how the whole thing went down." Do I take it that you haven't tried the commercial product? Tell us how did the whole thing go down that seems to have soured you on this product or Meguiar's?



I guess what I'm asking, Bill, is from your practical experience with NXT, what is it specifically that you don't like?



You don't like the ease of application? You don't like the ease of removal? You don't like the deep wet glossy shine? What specifically?



Or is it not the product performance you don't like but something about the manufacturer?

 

[Mr. Clean]

Skip the NXT. All hype, no results. Their are better products out there. Scottwax is one of the few I've heard of who have had great success with it.



I wouldn't buy it just out of principle. Meguiars hyped it up and then disappointed everyone. NXT is nothing more than a mid-level product (if that).

No results? Says who? More people than just Scottwax have used and enjoyed the final results.



Disappointed everyone?

Let's talk about how it holds up after 6 months. Tell me how your car looks.



JMHO, please don't yell at me.

Who on this board can stand to leave their vehicle alone for 6 months?



What is your opinion based on?



I have used NXT a couple of times, and found it to perform admirably. Based on other’s experiences, I applied with a PC and a finishing pad, preceded by Meg’s DC steps 1 and 2 on one vehicle and AIO on the second. I experienced no problems with removal and no streaking. I agree with 2wheelsx2 who said

The only way to find out if you like it more is to try it out

I guess BillNorth has found another means by which to judge a product’s performance???

 

[Scottwax]

Let's talk about how it holds up after 6 months. Tell me how your car looks. Turtle wax will also look good after you apply it and it's even cheaper than NXT.



JMHO, please don't yell at me.



Bill.

Meguiars does not claim NXT will last 6 months. They don't make durability claims because there are too many factors that influence it like air quality, washing techniques, acid rain, etc. On cars I have had NXT on for since February, all are still beading and no squeaking when you rub your bare hand against the paint. The appearance is holding up nicely as well.

 

[SpoiledMan]

Hey, wait. Something is being put down that has not been experienced? I don't think that's very Autopian is it?

 

[Matt M PA]

I'm with Bill...except I bought NXT and tried it. I won't even mention what I use on my cars, just to keep this NXT related.



I tried NXT on the non-clearcoated blue stripes of my car trailer, as well as on the white parts of the trailer.



I also used Meguair's Cleaner-Wax on the same areas adjacent to the NXT. I even tried NXT on my Bronco.



On the trailer, I noticed (if any) very slight reduction in swirls and very little difference in shine. On the Bronco, I noticed no difference in the panels around the NXT'd panel at all. The Bronco is very well maintained, but was washed at least twice and was in the weather sicne the previous wax's application.



On the trailer, the Cleaner-Wax actually looked better, on both colors. With both the CW and the NXT there was blue paint on the applicator..so they both clean to a degree.



It is known, courtesy of a Meguiars' Rep that NXT does contain a cleaning agent as well as mild abrasives.



At least part of the swirl filling and shine is courtesy of as much as 10% silicone in NXT. Problem is, the silicone washes right off, and your swirls are back.



It is marketed as a one step product consumer greade product.



I would also agree that the hype was far too much for what the final product is. Even the box it came in says things like " you'll want this before going to a car show...". I guess if you need a wheel chock. J/K.



Lots of folks have good results, and they should keep using it.

 

[jimmybuffit]

I'm a big fan of the Klasse Twins with a S100 topper. However, I don't use that combo very often on client vehicles.



NXT works just fine for three months, in a variety of conditions...I've used it on over 75 cars; I evaluated about 15 after +/- 60 days. Good Stuff!



I did a small test of #20 and NXT on the hood of my white Ford Van 'Billboard'. It stays outside. All day, everyday. Kinda harsh.



Both sealants exhibited their precense, via sheeting, then beading, and finally, the gliding fingertip test made NXT the winner.



Only 6 weeks, but on a horizontal surface, 24/7 outdoors.





Just my humble experience...



Jim

 

[BillNorth]

just as i thought ....YOU NEVER EVEN USED IT !?!?!?

i have....

it rocks...

people DO resist change....

Science rules.....

this reminds me of an audiophile thought line/experience and science id like to share later....probably a new thread...

theyre called trade secrets for a reason....were not just dealing with protection, and you can bet its a strong polymer.....they didnt just pull this rabbit out of a hat...or go to floor wax company and say; geez what can we adapt for car use?

were also dealing with filling/leveling abilities...NXT has it covered too....

Heres where it gets tough....were dealing with optical properties....we might never hear the whole story of what it is that NXT is doing...thats my opinion.....theres science in whats going on here..

How or what does it do so you have extremely detailed clarity, so that every single metal flake on a silver car stands out, thats clarity yet it can make a finish appear darker/deeper? .....they are counter to each other.....ive more thoughts but i wanna gather em.... i like to "mull"....lol

You seem quite happy with the product, and that is a good thing. I wouldn't say I'm resistant to change, I do have WG that I'll hopefully be using this weekend.



Continue enjoying the product.



Bill.

 

[BillNorth]

Enlighten us Bill. Just what did Meguiar's claim that this product would do that it doesn't?



I would not class this as a "Turtle Wax" or a cleaner wax. It may have some slight surface cleaners in it to insure adhesion but it is nothing like a cleaner wax. I'd put it in the Zaino class.



I've gone through more bottles of waxes and sealers than most here and I find this product looks as good and is significantly easier to use than many of the leading products. Since this product has not been on the market all that long I would concede that Zaino may last longer but that isn't even a given at this point.



You state "I wouldn't recommend it just based on how the whole thing went down." Do I take it that you haven't tried the commercial product? Tell us how did the whole thing go down that seems to have soured you on this product or Meguiar's?



I guess what I'm asking, Bill, is from your practical experience with NXT, what is it specifically that you don't like?



You don't like the ease of application? You don't like the ease of removal? You don't like the deep wet glossy shine? What specifically?



Or is it not the product performance you don't like but something about the manufacturer?

No point in arguing, I concede every point.



NXT is the best!!! Meguiars was very upfront abou this product. I recommend all go out and buy it!!!



Bill.

 

[BillNorth]

No results? Says who? More people than just Scottwax have used and enjoyed the final results.



Disappointed everyone?







Most responsible members wouldn't recommend a product they've never used. But out of curiosity...just how did the whole thing go down?







Who on this board can stand to leave their vehicle alone for 6 months?



What is your opinion based on?



I have used NXT a couple of times, and found it to perform admirably. Based on other’s experiences, I applied with a PC and a finishing pad, preceded by Meg’s DC steps 1 and 2 on one vehicle and AIO on the second. I experienced no problems with removal and no streaking. I agree with 2wheelsx2 who said



I guess BillNorth has found another means by which to judge a product’s performance???

No point in arguing, I concede every point.



NXT is the best!!! Meguiars was very upfront about this product. I recommend all go out and buy it!!!



Bill.

 

[BillNorth]

Hey, wait. Something is being put down that has not been experienced? I don't think that's very Autopian is it?

Very few things here are autopian anymore.



Bill.

 

[BillNorth]

Meguiars does not claim NXT will last 6 months. They don't make durability claims because there are too many factors that influence it like air quality, washing techniques, acid rain, etc. On cars I have had NXT on for since February, all are still beading and no squeaking when you rub your bare hand against the paint. The appearance is holding up nicely as well.

You are right, they never attached a number to the durability time. And I'm glad it's working out for you as well as the others. If you enjoy the product then continue using it.



Bill.

 

[imported_NHBFAN]

Skip the NXT. All hype, no results.

I'm with you BillNorth. I'm not all that excited about NXT either. It's a decent product that is indeed very user friendly and gives good results with minimal preparation, but there's better products out there. No way would I claim NXT as my favorite, or use it exclusively on my own vehicle.



Then again, I'm not that amped over KSG. I found it to be one of the most dissappointing products I've used, and I've tried every type of method of application there is.



Guess to each his own:nixweiss

 

[zzyyzx]

I've been playing around with a few different products lately trying to find my favorites. I only used Meg's stuff in the past and decided to try some others to have something to compare it to. I was sold again on Meguairs when I was at the Detail Day.



Autopia Detail Day @ Meguiars



My car is the Red Accord about halfway down on the post. I used UPP & MP on the car the days before. Went to the detail day and used #83 and one coat of TechWax. You can see the results for yourself. And it still looks great. I just wiped it down with some Spray & Wipe last night and looks/feels like we just did it.



If you're getting 6 months of wear out of any product, more power to you. My car is a daily driver in Los Angeles, live by the airport and work near downtown. Over 50 miles of LA traffic each day, over two hours of stop and go. I don't expect anything to last much more than 2 or 3 months anyhow. I'm sold. Tech Wax is a great product in my opinion.

 

[AlanP]

Admittedly, I don't have as much experience with sealants as some of folks on this board. However, I've used NXT extensively for the past few months and the durability seems to be markedly inferior to Zaino.



Meguires has enough money to run full-page ads in the most recent "Road & Track" and "Car & Driver." Meguires has enough money to pay someone to evangelize their product on this public BBS. I wish Meguires would use their supposed army of Ph.D chemists to prove that the durability of their product is in the same class as sealants such as Zaino & Klasse (both of which have to rely on word-of-mouth testimonials for advertising).

 

[togwt]

Quote: It's a cleaner wax for joe turtle wax consumer.







~One man’s opinion / observations ~



I think your statement says it all, and some are trying to compare a $15 product marketed (to A utopians perhaps over-hyped, but then with our backgrounds in detailing we should be able to tell hype from fact) to the said ‘joe turtle wax’ with products like Klasse, Zanio, et al. I don’t use a lot of products as I’m only do this detailing thing as part-timer but it works for me and the car is shiny (isn’t that what were all looking for) Would I choose NXT over Zanio for a concourse vehicle, probably not. I always try to judge products on their merits rather than personal preference, brand loyalty or emotions.





Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect *so I question everything*

 

[04BlackAV]

Admittedly, I don't have as much experience with sealants as some of folks on this board. However, I've used NXT extensively for the past few months and the durability seems to be markedly inferior to Zaino.

How can you compare durability to Zaino.How many Zaino users put just 1 layer on and are happy with that.I bet not many.Your average Zaino user has up to 6 or even 20 layers on.How many Zaino users will put 1 layer on and 2 or 3 month's later argue it lasts longer than NXT.I like both products but you really can't compare them like that.The average NXT user will be happy applying 1 layer and leaving it at that.

 

[imported_Blake]

Where I come from Zaino and Klasse aren't $15..a bottle. I'm not knocking Zaino or Klasse but let's get real.

I don't think anyone should knock a product if they haven't tried it and it seems that there's a lot of hostility against Meguiars because they are large and can advertise. The company has been around for a very long time and like it or not they make a lot of very good products.

 

[Matt M PA]

Geez...did this get ugly. I can't believe the backlash of this NXT.



At least where I come from, NXT and Zaino are the same price, or in the case of Z2....Zaino is less expensive.



And..I may add...I am really tired of folks saying that they went to a Meguair's Sales, er... Detail Session, and after using DACP, or #9, or some other "prep" product(s), that the NXT looked so great. Any wax would look good over that much prep. Autopians know how important prep is, right? If you went to a 3M, or even an Ardex session....you can bet your car would leave there very shiny too.



I do realize that Meguair's has been around forever, but that doesn't always mean that they have the best products in every case. (Fram is a good example of a well advertised, high brand loyalty item that does not make the best product.) They do a great job of promotion.

 

[04BlackAV]

Geez...did this get ugly. I can't believe the backlash of this NXT.



At least where I come from, NXT and Zaino are the same price, or in the case of Z2....Zaino is less expensive.

NXT...18oz bottle 14.95

Z2...8oz bottle 12.95

Z5...8oz bottle 16.95

plus in my case 8.95 shipping and you will need at least Z1...8.95 or the more expensive option ZFX...19.95.



It was easier and cheaper for me to try NXT first than to reorder a bottle of Z5 after running out.

 

[imported_Intermezzo]

Scottwax, not fair to compare your results with NXT!! You've got a pair of arms and hands that could make a bucket of spit look awesome on junkyard beater!



(Hope this lightens the mood a little).