imported_Aurora40
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l7avis said:
l7avis said:
Your opinion of the product is certainly allowed. However, that's not what you were expressing an opinion of... :nono
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Your opinion of the product is certainly allowed. However, that's not what you were expressing an opinion of... :nono
MrLoveLoviro
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Aurora40 said:
I was expressing my opinion to the extrema of reviews.
Steve @ Guru
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Hmm.. something seems amiss here... lemme check the Autopia House rules:
"Autopia is the "small town" of car forums.Ê We pride ourselves on polite, meaningful conversation.Ê We are friends, even when we disagree.Ê We contribute, we learn, we laugh.Ê Our rules are very simple:
1. No personal attacks.Ê Be polite, even when you disagree.
2. Keep an open mind.Ê
3. No product wars!Ê Focus on what works.
4. Be helpful.Ê Get involved.Ê Keep language and pictures appropriate for all audiences. Make it fun!
5. We want to hear from all.Ê Please contribute.
6. No SPAM (unwanted advertising) or commercialism of any kind.Ê This includes commercial messages in your signature. Including your company name is okay, however, please don't include a commercial URL."
Me thinks a few rules have been violated in this thread, especially the rather nasty response from Mayor B with the "spout off at the mouth" comment... seems a little "un-PC" to me? I saw the first reply that David had crafted and it didn't have the "attack" in it... why was there the need to edit and add the negative tone to the message?
Just my $0.005
"Autopia is the "small town" of car forums.Ê We pride ourselves on polite, meaningful conversation.Ê We are friends, even when we disagree.Ê We contribute, we learn, we laugh.Ê Our rules are very simple:
1. No personal attacks.Ê Be polite, even when you disagree.
2. Keep an open mind.Ê
3. No product wars!Ê Focus on what works.
4. Be helpful.Ê Get involved.Ê Keep language and pictures appropriate for all audiences. Make it fun!
5. We want to hear from all.Ê Please contribute.
6. No SPAM (unwanted advertising) or commercialism of any kind.Ê This includes commercial messages in your signature. Including your company name is okay, however, please don't include a commercial URL."
Me thinks a few rules have been violated in this thread, especially the rather nasty response from Mayor B with the "spout off at the mouth" comment... seems a little "un-PC" to me? I saw the first reply that David had crafted and it didn't have the "attack" in it... why was there the need to edit and add the negative tone to the message?
Just my $0.005
l7avis said:
I detail two black S Class Mercedes (an S500 and an S55). They live in the same neighborhood and both work in office buildings near freeways. Any carnauba combo I have tried on S500 lasts about 4 weeks. I get 10-12 weeks at least on the S55, using the same combinations. I wash both cars on Saturdays and both using QEW. Why does the wax last on one car but not the other? :nixweiss I have no idea. I am glad though that the owner of the S500 turned it in and got a new S500 with the PPG Ceramiclear clearcoat. I have a feeling it will work out better.
You also have to remember that some parts of the country have acid rain and industrial fallout and severe winter weather and road salt also degrade wax/sealants more quickly. Using touchless car washes is also hard on wax since the detergents are more aggressive since no friction materials are used to help clean the cars. QEW is very gentle on wax, so that helps extend it's life.
You see, there are a lot more reasons than simple board sponsorship for the different results.
I think DavidB responded properly to an unwarranted attack on the intergrity of the board. No one has deleted (to my knowledge) any negative comments about Meguiars. Just that alone suggests to me that Meguiar's sponsership does not buy it immunity from criticism.
Personally, I like Meguiars products and have used them in my business for 10 years now. NXT is a good but not great product. I use it, but it isn't my 'go to' wax when I want to WOW a customer. It is the one I'll recommend to people who want a good retail level wax.
geekysteve said:Just my $0.005 That's about what it was worth.
l7avis, if I misunderstood your comment and its intended meaning, you can understand why. Making an apparent insinuation that there is some connection between Autopia, Meguiar’s and the stated results people get from a product is a personal attack. So, for my “spouting off at the mouth comment,� I apologize.
I believe I now understand what you are saying to mean that having Meguiar’s as a sponsor has had a positive influence on member opinion of the Meguiar’s product line in general. If this is the case, I would agree, and let’s hope more large vendors join the fold.
Cheers!
The difference is in different expectations. Some write raving reviews of every product they try. Others scrutinize everything very carefully. The same goes with telling a product's presence. I consider NXT dead when the shine, slickness, clarity, and its water-affecting-ability are no different than the side next to it. Such a control is important, as I find bare, clayed paint in good condition to look nice and feel slick.
My 2 cents...
My 2 cents...
Steve @ Guru
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Wow, BW's post is worth 4x as much as mine.
imported_BretFraz
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geekysteve said:Wow, BW's post is worth 4x as much as mine.
Timing, Steve. It's all about timing....:wavey
MrLoveLoviro
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Ok, I feel better thanks and sorry all.
Corey Bit Spank
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I gave up with NXT last thursday and applied Liquid Souveran over the top of it. The NXT wasn't beading very well. I brought back the shine with EO Wax As You Dry.The LS will be the last waxing for the Accord until I do a full detail in a few weeks if the snow ever lets up. NXT and LS aren't very comparable, so I decided to not make a thread doing that. I just don't know many people who cross shop either product. 
imported_jgv
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Talk about expectations....
Living on this side of the Atlantic ocean, I know what's like living on expectation, of the product that produces the shine I saw on those pictures.
And yet, after buying (from yours side of the Atlantic) almost everything you can get there (Oh, just today I received the WG kit...), plus what I can buy locally, I can say for sure, if I had went to my local body shop store and have bought 1Z PP and 1Z GW, plus 3M clay and Megs FI, toghether with Sonax or 1Z shampoo, 1Z plastic and vinyl, and Armor All tire dressing, I'd have it all. I wouldn't need Zaino or PB or NXT or whatever.
Different products would have an almost invisible diference on the final result.
And yet, I don't throw away the products I use less, cause I like those products, and I keep buying more. It's better than collecting coins.
Sometimes I use NXT, when I think is it's place, others SG (lasts long but I have some that looks better), sometimes 1ZGW or WP.
I love having and trying detail products, I'm sure that's what most guys here feel, it's not like being a football team fan, it's more liking the sports it-self.
I don't see a reason for bashing products, any products (ok, Armor All on interior is horrible, sometimes I use it on wheel weels, until it's finished anyway).
If one gets great results from a specific product why should others blaim him for that? He's a happy detailer, proud of his work and of his shinny car...What's better than that?
Lets play AA, 'Hi I'm JGV and I like detail products'
Living on this side of the Atlantic ocean, I know what's like living on expectation, of the product that produces the shine I saw on those pictures.
And yet, after buying (from yours side of the Atlantic) almost everything you can get there (Oh, just today I received the WG kit...), plus what I can buy locally, I can say for sure, if I had went to my local body shop store and have bought 1Z PP and 1Z GW, plus 3M clay and Megs FI, toghether with Sonax or 1Z shampoo, 1Z plastic and vinyl, and Armor All tire dressing, I'd have it all. I wouldn't need Zaino or PB or NXT or whatever.
Different products would have an almost invisible diference on the final result.
And yet, I don't throw away the products I use less, cause I like those products, and I keep buying more. It's better than collecting coins.
Sometimes I use NXT, when I think is it's place, others SG (lasts long but I have some that looks better), sometimes 1ZGW or WP.
I love having and trying detail products, I'm sure that's what most guys here feel, it's not like being a football team fan, it's more liking the sports it-self.
I don't see a reason for bashing products, any products (ok, Armor All on interior is horrible, sometimes I use it on wheel weels, until it's finished anyway).
If one gets great results from a specific product why should others blaim him for that? He's a happy detailer, proud of his work and of his shinny car...What's better than that?
Lets play AA, 'Hi I'm JGV and I like detail products'
imported_RIC
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It is unfortunate how Autopia has changed now that David is a vendor and has also gone back to selling space to sponsors. I do realize the economics of business survival and having to keep the money coming in to survive and keep the site alive with other competing sites out there also.
As a result, unfortunately, while Autopia still provides lots of great information about vehicle detailing... I no longer find it useful as a place you can get unbiased product reviews.
As a result, unfortunately, while Autopia still provides lots of great information about vehicle detailing... I no longer find it useful as a place you can get unbiased product reviews.
imported_jgv
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RIC said:
So you think all Autopians aren't unbiased?? Where have you been to qualify us all??
I mean, less than 300 posts in 3 years means you're too busy to check on Autopia enough to say that :nixweiss
imported_RIC
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I don't see the term "ALL" in my post.
In general I do not find the reviews of products useful FOR ME as they once were when Autopia was a completely sponsorless site. It is just my opinion and you have a right to disagree with it.
In general I do not find the reviews of products useful FOR ME as they once were when Autopia was a completely sponsorless site. It is just my opinion and you have a right to disagree with it.
imported_Greg1
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RIC said:
I have read nearly every single thread in all of the archives and agree that there used to be some great product reviews. While I can see where you are coming from, I don't think that it necessarily a function of there being sponsors.
Corey Bit Spank
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RIC said:
I don't see a connection. Other than you. Maybe it's you that changed?
RIC said:
There are a lot of popular products on the board that are not connected with Autopia in any way. Zaino, Clearkote, 4 Star (aka Platinum) and Poorboys, for example have their fans and I've never seen a positive review for them deleted because the owners of the company's are not sponsered. There are negative comments about Meguiars and they are not removed from the board either.
What about QEW? Protect All is not a board sponser, but I have seen very few complaints about it since I mentioned it when I first got here 2 1/2 years ago. I've never been asked by DavidB to temper my enthusiasm for QEW even though there is no board connection.
I think most members give honest reviews of the products they test, but you do have to bear in mind that not everyone looks for the same thing. Some like the best look possible with no regard to durability, others will give up 5% of the look if it means they can wax their car twice a year and not worry about it. Reading between the lines can be the hard part.
Thanks Scott, Corey, Aurora, et al, for your POSITIVE responses to the brooding cynicism of a few others. I don't know why such negativity (which seems to be based on nothing, at least nothing that can be empirically proven or supported) seems so common these days. Keep it up, fellas!
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