Allow me introduce myself

togwt

togwt

The Old Grey Whistle Test
I’ve been providing unbiased opinions that both professionals and enthusiast detailer’s use and trust on various detailing forums for about ten years. As a semi-retired Chemical Engineer (35 year career) I would like to help detailers reach an intelligent and logical understanding of the many chemicals used in detailing. It is my intent to educate, based on five plus decades of experience; passing on to my readers the dynamics that take place; the cause and effect not just “ How” it works, but also “Why” it works, as well as an explanation of the scientific terminology and chemicals involved with detailing products.

Improperly used chemicals can cause damage to the person using them and to surface they are applied to (sometimes irreparably) because the detailer was not educated regarding the chemical make-up of the products they used. Knowledge unshared; is Experience wasted

If you haven't seen the old grey whistle test (TOGWT) on any of the other detailing forums here is a quick rundown of who I am:

I detailed my first car when I was fourteen (a mere five plus decades ago) it was a 1929 Bentley “Blower Super 8” that belong to my Fathers friend Brigadier John Dix of Kensington, London. If, as they say, "God is in the details," then a 1929 Bentley is truly a religious experience. I knew then that detailing would become a passion and my métier.

It has always been a relaxing past time for me and while at college I had a part-time business detailing classic vintage cars. From there to Concours d’élégance entrant then judge, and then on to writing car care articles and How-to: instructions, then writing a series of books on my favorite subject.

It is my intent to educate, based on five plus decades of experience; ( “Experience is said to be the best teacher”) passing on to my readers the dynamics that take place; the cause and effect, as well as an explanation of the scientific terminology and chemicals involved with detailing products. I try to write in a way that helps the reader to understand not only "How" to do something, but "Why" they are doing it, along with the technical, scientific facts along with any relevant chemical information (profession - Chemical Engineer) but if you’ve read any of my forum posts / threads you'll already understand just what I mean

Recommended Products -in the interest of full disclosure, I am in no way affiliated with, employed by, have any vested interest, or in any way receive compensation from the sale or distribution of the product lines reviewed or the company that manufactures or markets it. I have tested and / or used the product s, so the recommendation comes from firsthand knowledge of their use and / or its application methodologies. Any product endorsement is entirely unbiased and means that the product “Does what it says on the tin”

Author of 110 in-depth, unbiased “Technical Detailing Papers” and a 560 page "Automotive Detailing, Inside & Out" a knowledge base for the perfectionist TOGWT ™ Ltd copyright 2002-2009, all rights reserved.

I look forward to being a part of DetailCity and hope to be an asset to this automotive detailing community.
 
For some reason I thought you had been around long before now. Maybe I'm confusing you with some other sites.

But welcome anyway.

Now would be a good time to inquire about your screen name (I apologize if this has been covered before elsewhere). Some of us who have been around for a while know of The Old Grey Whistle Test, but it has nothing to do with the automotive industry. ;) Were you in any way associated with that broadcast?
 
Mr. Clean said:
For some reason I thought you had been around long before now. Maybe I'm confusing you with some other sites.

But welcome anyway.

Now would be a good time to inquire about your screen name (I apologize if this has been covered before elsewhere). Some of us who have been around for a while know of The Old Grey Whistle Test, but it has nothing to do with the automotive industry. ;) Were you in any way associated with that broadcast?
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You might be confused, but you aren't wrong. :)
TOGWT has been a member for a long time.
Check his join date of February, 2005.
For some reason he has not posted since May of that year.
With 4-1/2 years between posts, I don't think you can class him as a post whore. :D
 
:wall Often times the answer is right in front of our noses. Forest/trees and all that.

Yes, 82 posts in almost 6 years...Post Whore!!! :rofl

I know I see your (TOGWT) posts on other detailing sites.
 
Mr. Clean said:
For some reason I thought you had been around long before now. Maybe I'm confusing you with some other sites.

But welcome anyway.

Now would be a good time to inquire about your screen name (I apologize if this has been covered before elsewhere). Some of us who have been around for a while know of The Old Grey Whistle Test, but it has nothing to do with the automotive industry. ;) Were you in any way associated with that broadcast?
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Only that a friend was a lighting man and I could 'help' him and see the bands live for free


When the Old Grey Whistle Test (OGWT) went on air (BBC Television, England) in 1971 it was unique, in a world accustomed to Top of the Pops, here was a show on which the bands performed album tracks and were interviewed after they had played. This was before the days of miming, the music was live and, since the idea was to air new sounds, many of the bands were making their first television appearance. The titles sequence featured an animation of a man kicking a star. He was to become affectionately known as The Starkicker.

Presenter Bob Harris (whispering Bob) recalls how the show's name was inspired by the doormen (in grey suits) who worked at the music publishing houses in London's Denmark Street, known as 'tin pan alley':

"It was a 'tin pan alley' phrase from years ago. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys. The ones they could remember and could whistle having heard it just once or twice had passed the old grey whistle test".

My adaptation:
The old grey whistle test infers that the blokes with a little grey in their hair have tested these products or tools in real world situations, on many different car marques and various automotive paint system’s, they are recommended as they have been found to do what they were designed to do, usually more than adequately.
 
Every time I read one of your copyrights for your material it reminds me to copyright all my material even though all the posts I've written on all the sites I post to have their own copyrights for the material posted to their forum.

Do you ever have problems with other people borrowing your information and re-writing it to make it their own? I see this happen a lot with my writing. I know that if you re-write something then it's not illegal.

One thing I try to do in life is give other people the credit they deserve, even for their ideas in writing. I write a lot of how-to articles and informational articles so I guess it just goes with the territory that it gets borrowed.

I have a lot of new material coming up in the future, material that isn't anywhere else, any advice on how to make sure I get credit for it?

:hmmm:
 
togwt said:
Only that a friend was a lighting man and I could 'help' him and see the bands live for free

...

My adaptation:
The old grey whistle test infers that the blokes with a little grey in their hair have tested these products or tools in real world situations, on many different car marques and various automotive paint system’s, they are recommended as they have been found to do what they were designed to do, usually more than adequately.
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What a treat that must have been in the early 70s. We can re-live some of those moments now via youtube. Some of the truly greats of 60s/70s rock-n-roll made their way through that studio.

OK, I get it. Wasn't what I was thinking. There are a handfull of us that have that touch of grey (or gray :) - or more than just a touch --- mostly grey/gray). Though the products/equipment hardly resemble those I used oh those many years ago...a good thing.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
I have a lot of new material coming up in the future, material that isn't anywhere else, any advice on how to make sure I get credit for it?

:hmmm:
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There isn't a way as far as I'm aware of. As long as people can copy and paste, then you are going to get plagiarized. Hey, they say it is the highest form of flattery, right? :notme: Yeah, right... I know I feel really flattered every time I see some schmoe with his name on my work. I especially like the ones who don't even bother to change where the photos are hosted so that not only are they stealing my work, but they are stealing my bandwidth too. lol Oh well... As long as my articles are posted on the internet for everybody to read for free, I guess I can't be too ticked. If I found a published book that I wrote typed out on the web somewhere, then that would be a different story.
 
I participate in a few other detailing forums and when I see TOGWT post a reply, I know the original poster is in good hands and I don't have to bother replying.
TOGWT covers all the bases and his knowledge base is absolutely huge.
I treasure every word, and I'm envious not only for his vast knowledge, but also because he just happens to own one of the most gorgeous cars ever to grace the road, a Jaguar E type.
Lucky sod,
-John C.
 
JohnZ3MC said:
TOGWT covers all the bases and his knowledge base is absolutely huge.
I treasure every word, and I'm envious not only for his vast knowledge,
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I agree, when I read his writing I find it to be very thorough, sometimes when I read it it's as though I've read at least some portions of it before, not everything but just portions and it reads like something I wrote and I've written a lot of articles on detailing.

Most everything I write I generate from my own hands-on real world experience. When I do get material from other people I always try to give them credit, I believe that's a win/win deal for everyone. I certainly never borrow another person's writhing and the present it as though I created myself.

:bigups
 
togwt said:
I’ve been providing unbiased opinions that both professionals and enthusiast detailer’s use and trust on various detailing forums for about ten years. As a semi-retired Chemical Engineer (35 year career) I would like to help detailers reach an intelligent and logical understanding of the many chemicals used in detailing. It is my intent to educate, based on five plus decades of experience; passing on to my readers the dynamics that take place; the cause and effect not just “ How” it works, but also “Why” it works, as well as an explanation of the scientific terminology and chemicals involved with detailing products.

Improperly used chemicals can cause damage to the person using them and to surface they are applied to (sometimes irreparably) because the detailer was not educated regarding the chemical make-up of the products they used. Knowledge unshared; is Experience wasted

If you haven't seen the old grey whistle test (TOGWT) on any of the other detailing forums here is a quick rundown of who I am:

I detailed my first car when I was fourteen (a mere five plus decades ago) it was a 1929 Bentley “Blower Super 8” that belong to my Fathers friend Brigadier John Dix of Kensington, London. If, as they say, "God is in the details," then a 1929 Bentley is truly a religious experience. I knew then that detailing would become a passion and my métier.

It has always been a relaxing past time for me and while at college I had a part-time business detailing classic vintage cars. From there to Concours d’élégance entrant then judge, and then on to writing car care articles and How-to: instructions, then writing a series of books on my favorite subject.

It is my intent to educate, based on five plus decades of experience; ( “Experience is said to be the best teacher”) passing on to my readers the dynamics that take place; the cause and effect, as well as an explanation of the scientific terminology and chemicals involved with detailing products. I try to write in a way that helps the reader to understand not only "How" to do something, but "Why" they are doing it, along with the technical, scientific facts along with any relevant chemical information (profession - Chemical Engineer) but if you’ve read any of my forum posts / threads you'll already understand just what I mean

Recommended Products -in the interest of full disclosure, I am in no way affiliated with, employed by, have any vested interest, or in any way receive compensation from the sale or distribution of the product lines reviewed or the company that manufactures or markets it. I have tested and / or used the product s, so the recommendation comes from firsthand knowledge of their use and / or its application methodologies. Any product endorsement is entirely unbiased and means that the product “Does what it says on the tin”

Author of 110 in-depth, unbiased “Technical Detailing Papers” and a 560 page "Automotive Detailing, Inside & Out" a knowledge base for the perfectionist TOGWT ™ Ltd copyright 2002-2009, all rights reserved.

I look forward to being a part of DetailCity and hope to be an asset to this automotive detailing community.
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To all the members here on Detail City....this is one guy who knows his stuff......I always enjoy reading his postings on Auto Geek, he is very informative and like he stated, he gives an unbiased opinion ( that I truly admire) he will be a great asset to Detail City.......
 
wendell jarvis said:
To all the members here on Detail City....this is one guy who knows his stuff......I always enjoy reading his postings on Auto Geek, he is very informative and like he stated, he gives an unbiased opinion ( that I truly admire) he will be a great asset to Detail City.......
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Just my opinion but every post that he makes reads like an editorial of sorts. I'm sure that he has spent countless hours documenting this work, but to me it reads like a cut and paste with little regard to hands on experience.

I understand that he posted 5 decades of detailing experience, but his posts read like a novel to me. For some that maybe appealing but I've personally not read one of his post on a few detail sites I view.
 
I think the point to remember is that there is no one authority, everyone's experiences vary, everyone's opinion is different on what is acceptable, and there are many great products out there that will lead to excellent results. There is usually no ONE answer that fits everyone. People just have to remember it is an opinion and based upon personal and referenced material. For example, there are many good high quality soaps besides Zaino Z-7 or Griots.
 
Would love to see some before and after FULL write-ups of TOGWT's work.

I searched CorvetteForum.com and didn't find any?

:bigups
 
Beemerboy said:
Just my opinion but every post that he makes reads like an editorial of sorts. I'm sure that he has spent countless hours documenting this work, but to me it reads like a cut and paste with little regard to hands on experience.

I understand that he posted 5 decades of detailing experience, but his posts read like a novel to me. For some that maybe appealing but I've personally not read one of his post on a few detail sites I view.
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+1 :bigups
 
Tough crowd....

I'm glad someone with a chemical background has some input every now and again. It's nice to see what the science side of the products we use have to say. Generally all we get is the consumer side and the marketing side. It's nice to get an insight into how what we use does what it does without seeing the marketing fluff. Just my opinion...

Also, you can actually read his posts. There's lots to be said for someone who comes onto a detailing board and can use proper grammar and sentence structure. It's nice to read a post I can understand without having to make my eyes hurt trying to read it.
 
JaredPointer said:
Tough crowd....


Also, you can actually read his posts. There's lots to be said for someone who comes onto a detailing board and can use proper grammar and sentence structure. It's nice to read a post I can understand without having to make my eyes hurt trying to read it.
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wat u tallkin bout willis :confused: :rofl:lol2:
 
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