ALL tire dressings cause dry rot/premature tire failure ???!!!

I have posted my thoughts on cleaning tires but at the expense of product, I just do a very superficial spray, scrub and blase on the tires prior to dressing. No more ballz-to-wallz all out till it stops looking brown like I did in the early 2000`s....

I find that yes, dressings may not last that long and I`ll top off.
Buy hey, tire coatings last longer than my former fave. water based, so I`m sorta wasting less regardless.
 
Ronkh said:
From my understanding..... Tires now "expire" in 5 years.......
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I’ve heard the same.

<<< Original tires on TA, 19 years, 8,400 miles, never looked like they were cleaned or dressed. They are now dressed with PB bold and bright. Once cleaned with D143 they looked brand new, zero dry rot.
 
I have been using dressings for years. I had some Dakota tires that lasted 10 years before I declared them dry rotted. It was not the tire dressings. I only use water based dressings.
 
mobiledynamics said:
... I just do a very superficial spray, scrub and blase on the tires prior to dressing. No more ballz-to-wallz all out till it stops looking brown like I did in the early 2000`s.....
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I too do a far-from-Autopian job on my tires. They look fine to the only person whose opinion matters to me ;)
 
I would think tire today`s tire compounds are designed to withstand the environmental elements subjected to daily driving. That said, a tire in weather extremes, hot or cold, is more prone to premature failure, especially heat. Heat (higher temperatures) are a tire compound`s nemesis. It`s one of the reasons to keep your tires properly inflated, especially if you travel at high(er) highway speed or haul heavy loads, like towing a camper or boat in the summer, more so for passenger cars than SUVs or trucks.
If you are an "aggressive" driver, (IE, wannabe F1/NHRA/NASCAR street driver), your tire WILL experience premature tire "aging" and wear, and its NOT because of the tire cleaner or tire protectant you put on it (except late 70`s formulations of Armour-All). How you drive, the environment that you drive in, and improper tire pressure are greater factors in determining tire life, in my opinion.

SOOOO, when was the last time you checked YOUR tire pressures?? Food for thought.... for every 10°F in ambient (outside) temperature change at sea level, a tire will change 1 PSI. That means a tire checked at 70°F in June that has 32 PSI will only have 25 PSI in December when its 0°F! Ever wonder WHY tires fall off of rims in extreme cold?? Now you know! I know some of you see vehicles with underinflated tires running around and wonder why the owner/driver doesn`t notice it. That`s why at every other gas fill-up, at least LOOK at your tires, especially in cold weather. It can save you ALOT of grief from being stranded on the side of a highway on a very cold day when no one wants to help you.

Over-inflated tires are just as bad in the winter, especially on ice, at the extreme tire pressure caused the center to "bulge" more, so you never get the full tire grip of the tire tread. Yes, back in the day of rear-wheel drive winter snow-grips, I have released the tire pressures drive on ice. Then again, I am driving no more than 10-15 MPH! Some say it is a "wive`s tale" (IE, false story or a unverifiable belief) that under-inflated tires have better grip on ice. Back then it may be true. Not sure with today`s All-Season tire compounds. (We will NOT get into the discussion about the need for winter-only tires in snowy climates. The fellow Autopians on the Canadian providence on Ontario know WHY such tires are required by law on vehicles driven from November to March!)
 
Inflation pressures (about which I`m rather fanatical and, uhm...highly opinionated ;) ) are a complex topic.

Some of my vehicles handle *INFINITELY* better (yeah, objectively tested under controlled conditions by experts) at quite high pressures, high enough to cause extreme center-tread wear. I dial it back a bit to even out the wear anyhow, but pump `em right back up for AutoX etc.
 
Lonnie -

Just short of the pressure gauge, I can tell by seat of the pants whether it`s over or under my generally ~dialed~ in range. When I ~feel~ it, I do a quick check of 1 tire with a pressure gauge, and then just fill to 39 as a general default and bleed air out.
 
mobiledynamics said:
Lonnie -

Just short of the pressure gauge, I can tell by seat of the pants whether it`s over or under my generally ~dialed~ in range. When I ~feel~ it, I do a quick check of 1 tire with a pressure gauge, and then just fill to 39 as a general default and bleed air out.
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Mobiledynamics:
You are the exception to the rule of drivers being able to "feel by the seat of their pants" whether tire(s) are under-or-over-inflated on a vehicle. Most do not realize it until they hear the thump-thump-thump of a flat tire OR I have seen over-zealous vehicle owners pump-up their tires at a air pump station without the use of a gauge and over-fill them to 45-50 PSI when I offered to check them with a tire gauge. Some drivers/owners do not realize that over-inflated is just as dangerous as under-inflated, especially when they hit a bump at highway speeds or drive in the rain and slide all over the place.
I do inflate my tires SLIGHTLY above the vehicle`s tire pressure recommended pressure in the summer because it`s a known engineering fact that MOST manufacturers design, test, and develop their vehicle`s tire pressure to have a smooth ride AND some form of vehicular driving/handling dynamics for the AVERAGE driver.
Wow!! This thread has gotten WAY off topic from discussing whether tire protectants causing tire rot and cracking (which I do NOT believe they do, UNLESS you are using some late 1970`s Armour-All, as stated in my posts above), all because of me!

Perhaps a better question is this: Is there a tire protectant the prevents tire rot and cracking? Based on a number of car-care chemical manufacturers saying that they have UV-blocking protection in their particular tire protectant, perhaps there is. Is it marketing hype? Ah, the topic debate goes on....
 
I got a tire guage hooked to my compressor at home and top off as weather changes and TPMS tips me off.

mobiledynamics said:
Lonnie -

Just short of the pressure gauge, I can tell by seat of the pants whether it`s over or under my generally ~dialed~ in range. When I ~feel~ it, I do a quick check of 1 tire with a pressure gauge, and then just fill to 39 as a general default and bleed air out.
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I can usually notice when they are a couple pounds low. They will wander more and rough softens a little. I do like them a little over since it makes steering quicker but on some tires it causes uneven wear. On my MKZ I am on my 3rd set of Michelins (over 118K miles) on the car so know them well. If there was any dry rot due to dressings, I would know it.
 
I`m not sure I can feel a couple of pounds but five for sure. Steering feels more wiggly, bumps are softer and the car is more quiet. I don`t think I`ve had TPMS light up except for when I had a leak.
 
Dan said:
I`m not sure I can feel a couple of pounds but five for sure. Steering feels more wiggly, bumps are softer and the car is more quiet. I don`t think I`ve had TPMS light up except for when I had a leak.
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For me, when a tire is 5 pounds low, it sets off the TPMS
 
High psi I never had a problem with. I ran 70 ish for years on two different Prius cars. No tire failure just less wear, harder ride, bit more steering response. Bit better fuel economy

It was a “thing” to do with Prius’ cars IIRC the extreme people did like a 100 psi lol

If you have a crappy and worn out tire it’s a crappy worn out tire. Psi isn’t gonna matter. It’s amazing what people will drive around with on a daily basis

Even had a Durango come in one of our techs recommended new tires they were at 4/32 and the customer claimed they just came from discount tire and they said the tires were fine ? 4/32 is fine I’m sure it’s an isolated incident cause discount is usually good


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Dan said:
Yeah, I run about 3-8 psi over the "recommended" depending on the car.
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Here is a 2.5 year old tire with the sidewall dry rotting cracking.
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This is a real problem on cars but imo not dressing related in general


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MattPersman said:
Here is a 2.5 year old tire with the sidewall dry rotting cracking.
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This is a real problem on cars but imo not dressing related in general


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Goodyears? Looks like it with the "dressing slinger" sidewall pattern.
 
Yep yep. Good eye. Michelin’s are a little more common I see with the cracks and dry rotting


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MattPersman said:
Yep yep. Good eye. Michelin’s are a little more common I see with the cracks and dry rotting
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Yeah, Michelins do seem more prone to cracking. I`ve even seen pretty severe cracking in the tread area, between the treads) on not so old tires (<5 years old). Certainly takes the dressing out of the equation.
 
Accumulator said:
Huh, never noticed that with mine, but now I`ll be eyeing the Pilot A/S3s on the A8.
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If you`re parking in a garage, I doubt it will be an issue. Outdoor parked michelins seem to start cracking about 2-3 years in. A google of "michelin sidewall cracking" will bring. One I found interesting was on the SHO forum, a guy went through several sets under warranty that exhibited the same behavior.
 
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