All clay not the same

a.k.a. Patrick said:
Clay Magic is good, but theres plenty of room for improvement.
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a.k.a. Patrick said:
The same applies for detailing clay, its good, but I personally would prefer something a little less sticky, and more pliable...Not to mention a price decrease.
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I find this hard to ingest from you when you've never tried Clay Magic? That's not fair to others reading this thinking that Clay Magic is stickey and not real pliable. Haven't my pictures proved otherwise? As far as cheaper, yes, I agree, all products could stand to be cheaper. Ironically, Clay Magic is usually the cheapest clay sold in the retail market. I think it's also up to some vendors not to mark it up so much too. Especially the high end knock offs. I'm really familiar with the profit margin on clay from what my AM vendor has shown me.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Can't Patrick and RAG and Accumulator like one kind of clay, and David Fermani like another? We (usually) let people like different polishes and waxes and stuff here, why not clay?
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I'm all for everyone liking their own kinds of products. I will never knock someone for that. I have a problem when people bash products they've never tried and/or used the product incorrectly resulting in inferior outcomes. Accumulator has mentioned that he has never tried Clay Magic, and he's not knocking it.

My philosophy is this: A good product is one that can easily produce the best product, in the least amount of time for the least amount of cost. Anything that falls outside of that window has room for improvement (if someone requires it to do so). More power to someone that still thinks that the Turtle Wax canned paste from the 1970's works the best for them. Go for it.
 
As the title of the thread starts off saying = "All Clay not the same"- I agree!! I'll elaborate for people that didn't want to read through 3 pages to learn for themselves. All clay made by Auto Magic is not the same. It not the same as as Auto Magic's own clay they market called Clay Magic. That's why it's called the "original detailing clay".
 
I certainly know enough about Clay Magic to know its not the best I have used. Maybe its time to revisit the OTC brand, and give it a "trial by jury"...........Brand new clay, brand new (Or same old) perspective.....

One last question, Why would Clay Magic authorize clays that are inferior to their own? Knowing that if it wasnt a successful formula, Clay Magic would ultimately be responsible for it. Case in point, you mention Clay Magic makes these "knock off" clays for private label and resale.

Can you inform all of us who makes this (following) particular brand?

This detailing clay, surface preparation bar was manufactured by Auto Wax Company makers of Clay Magic the #1 leader in eraser bars for your car.
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Is one lead to beleive that this is actually Clay Magic? Is this a knock off bar as you describe? If I actually bought and used this clay bar, would that pass as actually "using Clay Magic"? Im curious......
 
You guys are really splitting hairs...David is saying that AWC saves their "best" formula for the bars that they sell under their own name as the Clay Magic brand. They are far from the only company that says "we make a lot of (insert product) for other people, but if you want the true best (insert product), buy our brand". Patrick, Clay Magic isn't going to be "responisible" for that "inferior" clay if it doesn't say "Clay Magic" on the box...if people don't like the clay, they are going to be mad at the name on the package...or in a lot of cases--no name.



One could also argue that AWC says their "Clay Magic" is a unique formulation...who knows if this is true? It's certainly what I would say if I were them. We could apply this to tons of things...is a Lexus the same as a Toyota? A Mercury the same as a Ford? The Green Giant peas the same as the store brand? Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Maybe the Green Giant peas go through a better sorting process, maybe they come from better vines than those "inferior" store peas. Lot of maybe's and if's and a whole lot of we can't know for sure.



We could ask Green Giant if they make any store brand peas, and they might say yes. Then we could ask if the store brand peas are as good as the Green Giant peas? And their answer might be "if you want assurance of the taste and freshness you love, make sure to buy Green Giant brand peas". What does that mean? It could mean a lot of things, from they are the same, to they could be the same, depending on the quality of the peas that week (maybe the "best" peas are used in the GG box, but if that week, ALL the peas are great, the store brand will be just as good), to "we use the crappy peas for the store brand, and save the good ones for GG".



When you guys are done with the clay, can you start on Zaino vs. Duragloss? :D
 
Zaino vs Duragloss, LMAO.

if people dont like the clay they are going to be mad at the name on the package...or in a lot of cases--no name.
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......and we all know which way *!** travels!

Mike, we all know Lexus is manufactured by Toyota. If Toyota/Lexus should start manufacturing "inferior products" who takes the ultimate blame/responsibility? TOYOTA!

Thats the point Im trying to make.....If they're not making quality Lexus name tags, whos going to buy Toyota? Vice Versa, if Toyota started suddenly having issues with powertrains or electrical, would a shopper inquire happenstance when considering a Lexus? Certainly, thats smart shopping. So, a reasonable shopper, assumably knowing all clays made forthright by AWC, may have a concern if a "knockoff" clay (As David has termed it) was not of reasonable high quality last time they used it, may have a concern prior to purchasing a Clay Magic name tag. My point with AWC, is why even alter the formula? With companies such as these, its all about profit. Might they profit larger by moving more Clay Magic, under various name tags, but retain the original formula?

I do know of a company that wholesales Claymagic. Is that a "knockoff"? Interesting conversation at this point Mike.......

And I buy store brand all the time, lol......if that storebrand was actual "original formula" I wouldnt really have a need for Del Monte.....Unless I was a loyal Del Monte patron, which in reality, I still am!
 
My dad worked in a liquor store after he retired from Travelers insurance, just to have something to do and talk to people. One thing we enjoyed was chatting with the various salesmen that came by. I learned Smirnoff makes vodka for other labels, same stuff that they put in their bottles but cheaper. Did they short out on the process? was the taste the same? I sure as hell couldn't taste a difference. Then why, well - think of it this, we're making less $ on the cheaper brand but we're still making $ and we're keeping our factories running. On this clay thing, seems like other companies are spec'ing out their own version, good -bad whatever, but you can bet their (Clay Magic) name will be on the best.
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
I certainly know enough about Clay Magic to know its not the best I have used. Maybe its time to revisit the OTC brand, and give it a "trial by jury"...........Brand new clay, brand new (Or same old) perspective.....
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Maybe so. It's always best to try a product before rating it and not listen to others with skued opinions. Please count me in as a member or judge on the jury.





a.k.a.Patrick said:
One last question, Why would Clay Magic authorize clays that are inferior to their own? Knowing that if it wasnt a successful formula, Clay Magic would ultimately be responsible for it. Case in point, you mention Clay Magic makes these "knock off" clays for private label and resale.
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I think Setec Astronomy best answered this in a way to easily digest.



a.k.a.Patrick said:
Can you inform all of us who makes this (following) particular brand?"

This detailing clay, surface preparation bar was manufactured by Auto Wax Company makers of Clay Magic the #1 leader in eraser bars for your car".

Is one lead to beleive that this is actually Clay Magic? Is this a knock off bar as you describe? If I actually bought and used this clay bar, would that pass as actually "using Clay Magic"? Im curious......
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If it doesn't say Clay Magic - It isn't Clay Magic. PERIOD! Both the wrapper and box are labeled. Just because the "makers of Clay Magic" make a clay, it doesn't mean it's Clay Magic. That would mean that every clay you and/or any other retailer in the US sells is Clay Magic - not correct. If people sell and buy any clay not labeled "Clay Magic", it's not Clay Magic. If they say it is, they are lying. :think2 :think2 :think2
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
I do know of a company that wholesales Claymagic. Is that a "knockoff"?
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Not if it's marked Clay Magic. If it doesn't say Clay Magic - It isn't Clay Magic. BIG DIFFERENCE. Are we in agreement on this after multiple posts over and over. :wall :grinno:
 
sQuashed said:
No, please recap the 8 pages of nonsense again David. And then again and again.
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LOL, as the saying goes, lets just agree to disagree..........:think:

Parting thought, as it is getting kind of old....

If a wholesaler tells me, its Clay Magic clay, why should I have reason not to believe them? Hypothetically, if ACC tells me its unlabeled Clay Magic Clay, is it still Clay Magic Clay? I will end it with that:heelclick ...........
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
If a wholesaler tells me, its Clay Magic clay, why should I have reason not to believe them?
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I'm not trying to drag out this clay debate any but that one statement makes me want to add my 2 cents.



If i gave you a toyota and told you it was a lexus would you beleive me? It might be made on the same line as a lexus but it doesn't have the same options as a lexus. :xyxthumbs Same with the clay, it might be made at the same automagic plant, but its not exactly a clay magic bar.





I would say you're getting it good if you beleive its clay magic, like david said. If it doesn't say clay magic on the wrapper. its not the original clay magic.
 
TrueDetailer said:
If i gave you a toyota and told you it was a lexus would you beleive me?
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Unfortunately, bad example. Some of Toyotas have some parts exactly same as ones that are in Lexus. :chuckle:



Sometimes it is overall cheaper to use more expensive line of parts than to manufacture "less superior" part.
 
TrueDetailer said:
If i gave you a toyota and told you it was a lexus would you beleive me?
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Funny thing is that alot of the sheetmetal on Lexus's are stamped Toyota. Almost ever Lexus quarter panel I see has it. It freaks out alot of Lexus car owners. :angry
 
I'll throw a plug in for the Clay Magic. I thought I'd "step up" in class and try Sonus gray and it marred the hell out of my black paint. I never had that problem with Clay Magic and I'll be going back to it. To each his own and use what works for you. That's my motto.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
there IS a silver lining regarding the Erazer clay...since it is still being made for sale in markets not covered by the AW patents, that means it's feasible that it will be sold here again once the patents start to expire in a few years (barring overlapping or extended patents).
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At the risk of reviving the dead horse...



"Few years"? I just read that Auto Magic's patent doesn't expire until 2013. Yeesh... I was hoping for 2-3 years. Not six.
 
What type of clay is this? Is it elastic or non?



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Paul,



How long ago was the bar purchased and who did you buy it through? Looks like a Presta bar that was made in the U.S. If purchased within the last year, and if it's the same bar that they make for U.S. domestic purchase, it stands a good chance of being a non elastic type.



Since you're outside the U.S., you should have fairly easy access to the elastic type bars that can no longer be purchased in the States.



I did a search for the Erazer clay in google and I think it turned up a distributor in New Zealand.
 
That is most likely NOT Erazer/Elastic clay considering it's so grainy on the left top corner edge. Erazer Clay is yellow and easy to mend, hardly any spots of grain.
 
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