All clay not the same

[David Fermani]

I find your reply a little rediculous myself.....over 400 views, 15 or so replies, and you've got to be the barking dog. Isnt this what forums are all about? If you find it irrelevant, or unnecessary, then dont be a part of it.

What do views and replies have to do with bashing a product that works great for 99% (or more) of its users? I've been using this product since 1990 and I guess I'm the one of many that knows and understands it's *true* performance. I've bought and used several 100's of Blue Clay Magic bars without 1 problem. You won't find me bashing products on this forum. If I don't like the way a product works, or it's not a good product, I don't bash it. I certainly won't start numerous useless threads about one. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, especially one based on *knowledgeable experience*. That's why I'm sticking up for a product that, in my opinion, works better than people claim it does. Please prove me wrong.

I know for certain "RAG" has gone beyond Autopia for reasoning with the issues about inferior clay being manufactured and distributed. He probably has more samples of clay being distributed by retailers, then most retailers even know about. Let him conduct his research, share his finding, and ask his questions......and yes, vent his frustrations.

Please share with everyone what RAG's done (other than bashing posts) to help out with his dilemma? Starting negative threads isn't the right way to go about getting help to fix his problem. If he's that adamant about his cause, why doesn't he call Rick Schmidt @ Auto Magic and voice his concerns where it could help? Also, what research has he conducted to prove Clay Magic inferior? I don't base my research on clay with how pliable it is. I base it on performance, cost and how long it lasts. Blue Clay Magic won't marr the finish, won't remove LSP and it’s as elastic as it needs to be compared to any other clay out there (please see pictures below). I'd like to see a real world clay shoot out and then compare the results before bashing one over the other. If someone doesn't care for a product after trying it out as directed, that's totally fine. But if someone starts vicious rumors based on nothing other than personal preference, I seriously question their integrity as a professional detailer if that’s what they claim they are in the 1st place.



These posts below by RAG don’t really show much educated research to me. They kinda contradict themselves?

Automagic company sucks! their clay is nothing like the KEL clay.

It's been a year or two since I tried the blue Clay Magic...I need to give it a "go" again, cause I recalled liking it.

Again, been a while since I used the clay magic clays, but as I recall they seem to break down and start sticking to your hands after only a few uses.

Finally, compare the pictures below of Blue Clay Magic with the other one’s posted above to see how it compares to elastic clay. Look pretty similar? Doesn’t look like it’s falling apart or crumbling like some people claim.

 

[EdLancer]

Why is Meguiar's called Meguiar's? Collinite? Who cares? If you really wanted to know you would read the answer the first time we answered this question for you.



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...w-clay-those-canada-3.html?highlight=riccardo





Quoted from the above thread





"We had to call it something instead of "Sell it in the USA and get sued clay". Fact is Riccardo was my fathers name. I always liked the name, I guess there is a small story behind many odd names in the industry"

Thanks Chris, missed it the first time around :kewlpics

 

[P1et]

Man, a simple post about clay certainly got very violent. Did everyone have a bad day at work today?

 

[ZoranC]

Man, a simple post about clay certainly got very violent.

Maybe because it is starting to resemble "public beating of the dead horse every few months" ritual.

 

[coupe]

What do views and replies have to do with bashing a product that works great for 99% (or more) of its users? I've been using this product since 1990 and I guess I'm the one of many that knows and understands it's *true* performance. I've bought and used several 100's of Blue Clay Magic bars without 1 problem. You won't find me bashing products on this forum. If I don't like the way a product works, or it's not a good product, I don't bash it. I certainly won't start numerous useless threads about one. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, especially one based on *knowledgeable experience*. That's why I'm sticking up for a product that, in my opinion, works better than people claim it does. Please prove me wrong.







Please share with everyone what RAG's done (other than bashing posts) to help out with his dilemma? Starting negative threads isn't the right way to go about getting help to fix his problem. If he's that adamant about his cause, why doesn't he call Rick Schmidt @ Auto Magic and voice his concerns where it could help? Also, what research has he conducted to prove Clay Magic inferior? I don't base my research on clay with how pliable it is. I base it on performance, cost and how long it lasts. Blue Clay Magic won't marr the finish, won't remove LSP and it’s as elastic as it needs to be compared to any other clay out there (please see pictures below). I'd like to see a real world clay shoot out and then compare the results before bashing one over the other. If someone doesn't care for a product after trying it out as directed, that's totally fine. But if someone starts vicious rumors based on nothing other than personal preference, I seriously question their integrity as a professional detailer if that’s what they claim they are in the 1st place.



These posts below by RAG don’t really show much educated research to me. They kinda contradict themselves?











Finally, compare the pictures below of Blue Clay Magic with the other one’s posted above to see how it compares to elastic clay. Look pretty similar? Doesn’t look like it’s falling apart or crumbling like some people claim.

Ive been trying to find a way to stick up for clay magic blue but you pretty much summed up everything i wanted to say about it :lol

 

[FitSport]

I just got home with a box full of goodies which included the Riccardo clay. I have yet to try it, but it's definitely softer than Meguiar's white clay (don't know if that means anything), and cheaper to boot. Thanks eShine.

 

[a.k.a. Patrick]

Also, what research has he conducted to prove Clay Magic inferior?

A simple side by side analysis was all I needed..........



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I share the same opinion as Rag. Although he is by far, introduced to heavier clay needs then me. San Diego has some very bad fallout, and I think that may have something to do with the heavy ocean breezes. I much rather prefer clays that have some elasticty. They tend to hold together better, and hide debris better.

David, if you dont care for Rags perspective on this issue, please dont participate in the thread. Viewers will find value in this thread and I see no sense in turning ones opinion, into a debate.

 

[David Fermani]

You're basing the quality of clay by its elasticity? That has ZERO to do with how it works. Clay isn't made to stretch like bubble gum; it’s made to remove contaminants. Plus, didn't you see the pic I posted of the stretchiness of Blue Clay Magic? Pretty stretchy right? My whole detailing career took place in the Metro Detroit area. That's probably one the most polluted, industrial towns in the world. It’s made me pretty familiar with the claying process/need. I'm planning on continuing having a healthy debate within this thread until people learn and understand that Clay Magic isn't inferior like it’s been posted. Sorry. Nothing's been proven yet.

 

[a.k.a. Patrick]

No, Im basing the inferiority of the hard non elastic clay in the best way I can present it to the forum. I dont have a sound bit of what it sounds like when i rub my hand over the already clayed surface vs the elastic clayed side. Nor can my camera detect the differences. This is the best evidence I had. Try to understand, the poster is stating that in comparison to the elastic clays that he prefers i.e. OptiClay and a couple others, (no longer made and rare to find any leftovers) theres really nothing that compares?

Why put this testimony to trial?

Heres a few blurbs from the thread:



I can't find the "good stuff" for *any* price now that I bought the last that David/Lynne had in stock



Don't they make the elastic type in Canada?



but I wouldn't mind picking up some more of the KEL/SmartWax stuff if I can find it.



EShine from Canada has the erazer clay



I guard the last bit of Opti-Clay I have with my life.

 

[eShine]

No, Im basing the inferiority of the hard non elastic clay in the best way I can present it to the forum. I dont have a sound bit of what it sounds like when i rub my hand over the already clayed surface vs the elastic clayed side. Nor can my camera detect the differences. This is the best evidence I had. Try to understand, the poster is stating that in comparison to the elastic clays that he prefers i.e. OptiClay and a couple others, (no longer made and rare to find any leftovers) theres really nothing that compares?

Why put this testimony to trial?

Heres a few blurbs from the thread:



I can't find the "good stuff" for *any* price now that I bought the last that David/Lynne had in stock



Don't they make the elastic type in Canada?



but I wouldn't mind picking up some more of the KEL/SmartWax stuff if I can find it.



EShine from Canada has the erazer clay



I guard the last bit of Opti-Clay I have with my life.

Wasn't Erazer, Opti-Clay and most other yellow clays the same?



Also, I buy our clay in the USA. It is made in the USA but can't be sold in the USA! LOL. It's funny because when we picked this clay we picked it only because it was a good clay for the price. Suddenly we were selling 25 at a time! I was like "What the heck is going on!"? Right to Autopia I went! LOL. It was then I learned all about the history of this clay.

 

[David Fermani]

No, Im basing the inferiority of the hard non elastic clay in the best way I can present it to the forum. I dont have a sound bit of what it sounds like when i rub my hand over the already clayed surface vs the elastic clayed side. Nor can my camera detect the differences. This is the best evidence I had. Try to understand, the poster is stating that in comparison to the elastic clays that he prefers i.e. OptiClay and a couple others, (no longer made and rare to find any leftovers) theres really nothing that compares?

Why put this testimony to trial?

Heres a few blurbs from the thread:



I can't find the "good stuff" for *any* price now that I bought the last that David/Lynne had in stock



Don't they make the elastic type in Canada?



but I wouldn't mind picking up some more of the KEL/SmartWax stuff if I can find it.



EShine from Canada has the erazer clay



I guard the last bit of Opti-Clay I have with my life.

Accumulator claims to have never tried Blue Clay Magic. I've never seen you or ScottWax claim to have ever tried it(or any Auto Magic products)? You certainly don't sell it, just a knock off of it. If you haven't used it, how can you compare? A big complaint of mine is that all clay made by Auto Magic is NOT Clay Magic! People assume it is, but it can and is very different. You can't custom order any strain identical to their Clay Magic from Auto Magic. I've asked. Just because Meg's clay is blue, doesn't mean it's Blue Clay Magic.



So what's your opinion of how stretchy Blue Clay Magic is based on my pictures?



Can someone please send me a sample of this state of the art "elastic" clay so I can try it?(assuming that you're not guarding it with your life). I not willing to bash a product I've never tried. I just willing to stick up for a product I know works great.

 

[David Fermani]

Wasn't Erazer, Opti-Clay and most other yellow clays the same?

I learned all about the history of this clay.

Not to sound too sarcastic, but I figure you'd know this better than anyone. Couldn't you ask your supplier?

 

[eShine]

Not to sound too sarcastic, but I figure you'd know this better than anyone. Couldn't you ask your supplier?

The supplier does not disclose its customers to anybody. They make many more products besides clay, when we signed on they made it very clear they won't answer any "Do you make XXX for XXX" Questions.

 

[David Fermani]

How stretchy ya need it!? LOL.

If you look at these pictures, Blue Clay Magic doesn't crack when it stretches like the yellow clay. Which one would you say is the stretchiest?

 

[eShine]

If you look at these pictures, Blue Clay Magic doesn't crack when it stretches like the yellow clay. Which one would you say is the stretchiest?

Dave, The yellow pic posted was from the AutoGeek forums. After closer inspection and looking into the box in the background I see the clay is not in our white boxes, the clay pictured may not be the clay we sell, we also do not ship UPS. Here is the picture I mistaken it with, this is the Riccardo Clay (No cracking),

As far as which is stretchiest? They both look overly stretchy to me. I don't wan't to get into comparing the Clay's as it would be SPAM and open us up to flaming, that we do not need! LOL. We have no expectations of having the besy clay, all that matters to us is the customer is happy with the product for his/her own reasons. If the customers decide to compare their purchased products that is their decision.

 

[a.k.a. Patrick]

David, neither of those clays in the video are produced by clay magic (to my knowlege). Again, Clay Magic/Auto Magic is being referenced, because they are the patent holders. One could assume all clays nowadays, not saying Mothers or Megs on it, are produced by/for clay magic/auto magic.

You certainly don't sell it, just a knock off of it.

Thats a very inaccurate statement.

Eshine, that looks just like the OptiClay of old! Even the white box it comes in.....

 

[Setec Astronomy]

You can't custom order any strain identical to their Clay Magic from Auto Magic. I've asked. Just because Meg's clay is blue, doesn't mean it's Blue Clay Magic.

That's a very interesting tidbit! Despite all the vitriol so far in this thread, and I also don't understand why RAG brings this up over and over...there IS a silver lining regarding the Erazer clay...since it is still being made for sale in markets not covered by the AW patents, that means it's feasible that it will be sold here again once the patents start to expire in a few years (barring overlapping or extended patents).

 

[DTailN]

Is there a difference between the SmartClay, Opti-Clay, and Erazer Elasti-clay for those who have used all three?

 

[coupe]

Ive been using Clay Magic blue for almost 8 years now. Its very effective, cheap, very elastic, very pliable, lasts forever, easily found localy both in the kit and 200 gram bar. I guess i dont know what better than that could possibly be.

 

[Accumulator]

I guess RAG does have a burr under his saddle about this clay stuff, but it's something that he's dealing with on a regular basis. And heh, some interesting stuff sometimes comes to light on threads like this.



eshine- I assume you ship to the US...*

Eshine, that looks just like the OptiClay of old! Even the white box it comes in.....

That's exactly what I was thinking! Just like a yellow version of Sonus block v1.0. Might have to spend a few bucks and see if it's really the same stuff.

Can someone please send me a sample of this state of the art "elastic" clay so I can try it?(assuming that you're not guarding it with your life).

Sorry, but mine might have to last me for the rest of my life. If eShine ships to the US, and if I get around to ordering some, and if it turns out to be the same stuff (whole lotta "ifs" there, huh ) I'll gladly send you some for a comparison.*



Heh heh, I guess it'd be simpler for me to just get some ClayMagic blue and compare for myself, but I'd be interested in your opinion (even if it's "what's the big deal?" or "sheesh, this stuff sucks").



So far I've been happy using what I kow I like and telling people that the ClayMagic blue is almost certainly OK based on the satisfaction of guys like you. But I also recognize that personal preference, even if based on subjective criteria, means a lot. And I'm kinda a "not broke/don't fix" kinda guy, so I don't always have a lot of experience with a wide range of products that do the same thing.



*[EDIT: I see, from another thread, that apparently that's not possible.]